I come from a door to door sales background, and I find knowing the averages helps me gage my progress, and helps me set realistic goals. I know mostly newbies use unnatural game and get more natural as they understand the principles.


So my question is.....If you took an AFC gave him a tried system and said go try it. this newbie is enthusiastic and has a descent drive to succeed even though he doesn't understand the principles at work yet.....what could he expect as an average success rate. For example......if he approaches X sets he should expext X amount of successful openings. Then if he plows his way through the key concepts (open, attraction, comfort, close, etc.) he could expext X # of number closes, kiss closes, day 2's, etc.

how do the #'s improve as you get more experienced. this way I can realistically set goals for myself. I can go out and say....I'm gonna approach X sets and anticipate X sessions from that, X dates that won't likely flake, etc.

This also helps me keep the attitude that this stuff is easy, if I'm not getting certain averages, then I'm over analyzing. At this point I can look at what I'm doing and remind myself to go back to the basics and have more fun. Plus it is another way to help get over approach anxiety. If I get blown out, I know that I am just working the numbers. If I don't have some success by set # whatever, then I will look for flaws in my game. Until then, quit crying and approach another set.[/b]

Forget about it! This stuff is not easy!

You want to know what you can expect to achieve during your first week of pickup, nothing! Absolutely nothing!

This is a game with higher stakes and that makes it more difficult thatn selling 5 dollar hairbrushes.

It is not impossible to learn, thats not what I am saying but you cannot expect anything. Expectations only make you feel bad if you fail to meet them.

Just enjoy yourself and learn for the sake of learning, not because you have to beat some average score!

Results will come.

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

first of all, they were $3000 vacuums. My closing ratio was about 1 out of 3 at both getting in, and dropping units. When I was a noob, it was more like 1 out of 5. You are dealing with all kinds of people from all walks of life. Keep in mind we would get the cops called on us an average of every 10 houses we knock (we used a very aggressive pitch to open. The approach was a canned routine to try on anyone no matter their personality, then plow through the key points of the demo. If done with some excitement, even sales 'retards' could see their success rate average to 1 out of five.

You are correct. There are definitely complex ideas at work, but if I took a tried and proven routine system.....what should I expext on average. Keep in mind I'm attractive, in pretty good shape, not afraid to talk to most people. However, I don't think it should matter too much if I weren't. I should still be able to get some averages. As for feeling bad if I don't reach my #'s, I feel the opposite. If I have nothing to Gage my success by, then it gets to vague and seems harder. We're dealing with the laws of averages. Obviously 1 out of say 10 doesn't mean that every tenth girl will be one you can close. Just a way to have an idea of whether you are just meeting natural resistance, or if you need to re- anylize your approach.

With a numbers goal based in reality, then I can say to myself.....say I have a 1 out of 10 average. Then I can say my personal goal is to not go home until I have approached at least 10 sets today. If I do at least that every day-seven days a week, I can expext an average of 1 new day-2 a week and one sex close every other week...or whatever it is. Just because it doesn't pan out that way every week, doesn't mean I am not hitting my goals. Some weeks I might get 3 closes the next I get none. It averages out.

Also, I am the over anylize type. If I don't see suCcess then I break it down and get OCD about it. Only f-ing my inner game up. If I fail and know I've only approached 5 sets, then I can put it in perspective. I know I haven't approached enough women yet, not that I totally suck. If I approach 35 sets, and get nowhere then I look at my end and fix it.

To me the numbers make it less daunting. All I have to do is follow the rules to the game, and approach so many sets a day, and I know I will have a certain average success rate. The refinement of my skills will come more naturally. When I run into an obstacle I ask on a forum. when I'm out sarging is when I will develop those skills better than with my nose in a book. But I don't have to sweat that because I know the stages, have a some good openers, and only have to blame my inadiquite amount of approaches.

I respect that you don't like the numbers, however they help me. So if someone knows the answer to my question, then I would greatly appreciate it.