This is a little offtopic but.... at least it's fun debating about this stuff:)

I wasnt talking about pet analogy. You misunderstood me totaly.
I'm not a fucking hitler:)
And I'm not a control freak or anything like that. Or totaly insensitive egoistic selfish dictator like some thinks that I am ahahahahahahaha

I was talking about being a selector and being a guy who gets what he wants.
If you look at the 90% of relationships that work. (healthy relationships) You'll see that one of the partners is dominanat. So he/she has the last word.
So why wouldnt you be that guy.

I'm always doing 50:50 with girls. And I always give EXACTLY THE SAME amount of energy/time/money as she gives me. So it's always fair. No exploitation or whatever negative things you were thinking about. So I'm her pet as she is mine.

BUT!!! I dont make compromises with most of the things. If she isnt willing to put as much energy in me as I want her to...she's gone.
If she isnt fucking as good as I want her to.....she is gone.
If she isnt as smart as I want her to....she's gone.
I'm the selector not her. And the stronger frame always wins.

About the second point...I know 10's are pleasant people... I'm dating one.
I was talking about when you first met them.
Maybe scotland is so cool that 10's are nice but in most of the world they arent at least until you break up that bitch shield.
If that would be so, AFC would be dating 10's all the time.

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"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)

I actually highly doubt you're dating anyone at all purely on the grounds that you believe in "Bitch Shields".

Then again I could always be completely wrong.

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However you are mis-reading what it is to have a leading role in a relationship and confusing that with a "Domination" of the spouse.

Becuase one person may be leading most of the time, does not mean the other persons values and wishes are neglected.

For instance Jill may decide often where they are going to eat when Jill and John go out. BUT if John pipes up and says, "no I really cannot stand Thai food tonight, I would love some Indian however"... Jill says, "ok cool".

"A loser will demand that people follow his lead or he will stop being their friend; a leader starts walking, and people just follow"

You will often get one person more vocal and deciding in a relationship and this is the person who leads.

However leading and controlling are different things. A leader in a social context ONLY has authority as long as people want to listen to him/her. Leaders in a social enviroment such as in a bar, or a circle of friends, or a relationship, lead, they lead becuase they make a suggestion and most of the time people follow, but they have NO authority or dominion over the people they lead.


And the selector metaphor is bullshit. Becuase it completely fails to take into account the actual complexities in the dating world.

Whats wrong with, being the seller? Selling the product that everyone wants? The metaphore itself is confusing and the mindset it portrays is skewed. You could be a selector buying a product, or a seller, selling an awesome product.

Assuming you can have any girl in the club is silly at best and I will happily laugh at any man who believes this becuase in my experience they are never even close to that guy.

It's an equal trade-off, you are both selectors the fact that you had to talk to her and interact, rather than have her just charging at your cock shows that it isn't the case that you chose her and that was the end of it.

Rather you wanted her, so you chose her to approach, you did so, demonstrated why she should also choose you and then she became reasonably convinced and selected you aswell.

It was and still is a mutual process of selection.

As for the initial bitchyness...

Sweden, Hungary, Germany, England, Ireland and Scotland, along with meeting an American girl here, two Italian girls upstairs from me who are absoloute cutie pies and a Norwegian. These are the cultures in which I have sarged and a sample of the people with which I hang out.

The "scotland is topsy turvey"; was irony.

It's been about 10 Months since I last experienced Bitch Shields on any sort of regular basis.

Two things that changed in that time were; I had started to understand people better, and my game had improved.

Having a girl being critical of you the second you stick your head in is NOT NORMAL by any standards.

Even if attractive women were as snobbish as you think they are, to rudely reject anyone who approaches them in a less than excellent manner. It wouldn't make sense, it's just not profitable for those girls and they know this.

Attractive girls are some of the best socialised women around, on top of that they have spent ages doing themselves up to look good. To long in fact for them to be percieved as horrible bitches becuase they didn't have the control to say "sorry I have to go" rather than "Fuck off".

It doesn't make sense! Hell I was talking to a Serbian girl last week and she was describing to me how embarresed she was when another girl she was out with started getting bitchy with a guy who was hitting on her.

Most women and attractive ones especially, are far too well socialised to see "Fuck off" as a good option for turning down suitors.

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Outside of that does anyone else have something to add to the OP?

Close, Close but didn't nail it. One Partner takes the LEAD in the decision making process DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION.

E.g If you were to buy kitchen cabinates, your SigO or wife would be more inclined towards taking the lead on selecting the color codes etc. you might suggest the budget but she makes the final call (sterotypical example but try to understand the message)

On deciding about airline to fly on the vacation the man could take the lead to select the best discounts, shortest time, convenience, milage points, etc etc..

A relationship would be sufforcating if only one person makes all the choices, there should be healthy balance.

Prosp3ct, not a personal attack, but I don't think you have had healthy loving relationships with girls. Try to understand what Fin and I are saying and it might help, take it or leave it.

Fin: Yes you are completely wrong.


And where do you live? I mean girls with no bitch shields? You must be in the promised land than. Than why does negs exist? Why does disqualification exist? Why does false time constraint exist? No offense bro but you're saying stupid shit.
Third of the forum is talking about the topic of negs and disqualifiers and FTC and you're saying that this isnt necesary.

If that is so than please tell me how do you do it without girl giving you bitch shield. And I'm not talking about cutie pies:) I mean HB10 (models, hired guns,...) in a high value club game. I really am curious and probably all the other guys on the forum too.


Well I rather be the selector. I want to be the one choosing girls. Maybe you rather want when the girl is choosing you. I'm not like that. So again the difference in tastes.

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"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)

The irony here is... the fact that you focus on the possibility that I could be wrong about you actually is evidence for the opposite position.
Well if you are the selector, walk up to a girl and just make out with her.... I mean it's not like she has to consider whether she wants you or not is it? Just walk up there drag her into a bedroom and start fucking her... See how far you get with that

If she goes with it, you were the selector, if she rejects you... well the very possibility of that completely destroys the notion that YOU are the only selector.

Again you have completely gotten wrong, negs, false disqualification and false time constraints were NEVER needed. They are only required if youi are doing mystery method. It's not a third of the pick up community it's a third of the mystery method.

Try Real Social Dynamics, Speed Seduction, The Attraction Code, Gunwitch, look up the apocalypse opener.

All of these completely ignore the idea of negs etc.

The Bitch Shield only exists if she does not want to speak to you... in which case you are doing something "WHICH MAKES HER NOT WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU"


You getting that

Seriously I can see you are new, do some reading on PU, bitch shileds are just ways for aspiring Pick ups to defend their ego from having to admit that they are coming in wrong. If you get a Bitch shield admit you did something wrong, stick with the set get round it and try and do better next time.

I didn't say they have no Bitch shields, if things go really tits up and they can't get rid of some loser any other way they will have to do so, but it's rarely a first option and I almost never get now that I actually have looked into what was making them go like that

Again.. READ OUTSIDE OF MYSTERY METHOD.

Infact come on chat ask anyone who has a reasonable idea of what they are doing like Jav, Doctor, Bonita, Zip, Chief, Madals, Xfman, Sinn, Hobbit, Mr Archer, Mr Shade, Jezebel, Reo.. those are just a couple of people who frequent chat, get int their, yeah that little link called chat. Sign in and ask around.

Good luck man.

Where is here the irony? You said I'm not dating and I am. There is no irony here.

About the negs part. Respect. Now you showed some constructive criticism.
And no I'm not new.

But still I dont agree about that selector part. You dont get it what I'm saying.

It's the same situation like bitch shields with me. I was reading so much about negs and stuff that I created reality where I HAVE to use negs. I see it now. It still worked for me but it wasnt necessary.

How does Brad Pitt act? Like the selector. How does high value male act? Like a selector. They are not selling anything. They are choosing. If you have enough value you CAN act like a selector. Why? because you simply can afford to act like one.
I mean look at the high value males, with money, looks, and everything else. THEY are choosing girls, they are not selling anything. Girls are trying to sell themselfs to them.
You dont have to fclose a girl the first second she sees you. But you select her when she showed you enough value. You get to choose when and where things are going to happen. And you are the PRIZE.
And if you act like a selector she wont let you go, because guys usualy think like you, that they have to sell themselfs to a girl. And girls arent that stupid that they will let go a guy who is acting like a selector. Because he must have something to back that attitude up.
Obviously you're not doing mLTRs or FB's or you would know that.

It's not the first time when you met her, well if you're good enough than you can...but in time she'll catch up on your attitude and your act. And she wont let you go.
But if you're just trying to sell yourself to her than you're like all other guys in the world. And you're not special and different. Be the fucking PRIZE.
I'm NOT bragging now I'm just showing that this attitude works for me.
I'm from fucking slovenia (you probably dont even know where this is:)) and I have hot girls form america that are sending me gifts, leather jackets, biker boots, plane tickets, silver bracelets,... And some of them are in relationship ahahahahahahahahaha
And I told ALL of them that they dont have to send me anything and they still do.
So this works.

Listen to David X more.

If you want to be a rock star than act like one!!! Stop chasing cutie pies, start dating 10's, models, have many fuckbuddies, act like a badboy. Stronger frame wins.
It's fake it till you make it at start. But along the way you'll create the reallity you want.

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"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)

I made a possible comment that your life isn't everything you say it is... then I suggest that I could be wrong. Instead of leaving it at well "that's your thoughts...." you post "you are completely wrong"; that's classic insecurity right there.

Who am I? Do I know you? Hell your arguing something here it's not about either of us? So why are you so eager to perpetuate this notion that your succesful in women. If I don't think so, "Who cares?" I'm obviously wrong. You digg.

Thats what you would have thought were you confident and succesful. But instead you dedicate time to declaring that you are succesful even although it is completely irrelevant to the debate at hand.


That's the irony, your want to convince me otherwise of my thoughts (with the only result being I think your sucessful) Betrays your insecurity and need to be seen as a player even by people who you will probably never meet in your life.


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And for the selector... Bradd Pitt selects women, but at the same time women say, "yes if he asked to fuck me I would allow him".

If you found some Christian lady, who was happily married and had no interest and he just wandered up and straight up asked.. She would say "No as much as I'd like to; I'm married".

Brad Pitt is a selector like everyone is on the planet a selector... no one goes "Oh I don't want to fuck him.. but he's the selector so..."

In order for sex to be sex and not rape their is mutual consent. I.e. the girl has to want to fuck you.

And likewise in order for you to start the whole thing off you ALSO need to select her as the person you want to fuck. It's a two way street.

Seriously can you just walk up to a girl at 2pm on the high street grab her and try to make out. Why does that have such a low percentage of success.... I mean you are the selector right... :D:D


You chose her, as your favourite... in the same way she choses that she will fuck you It's an entirely mutual process of selection.

IF SHE DID NOT AT SOME POINT CHOOSE YOU; THEN YOU HAVE COMMITED RAPE.

i.e. performed a sexual act with her, without her consent to let you.

I don't think I need to sell myself anymore than the girl does to me... don't give me this "she has to show value" you'll make me laugh!

You're seriously saying that you would NEVER fuck someone just for their looks?

Then your un human orrr... missing out on something really fun

As far as MLTR's go they are one of my specialities; unfortunatly had one go tits up where the girl was really emtoionally hurt becuae of a lack of communication and my personal inability to consider her position and how that would affect her.

So I put alot of effort into teaching people that when it comes to Mltr's or open relationships communication is vital along with complete and absoloute desire to keep your partner/s happy.

This idea that you are trying to explain; that you, should have power or dominance over your spuse rarely works well in a closed relationship. And I tell you as a fact it will NEVER work in the modern-world when regarding a polyamourus relationship. Polyamorous relationships need, a huge amount of attention to the other persons needs and wishes and makign sure all of those are clearly voiced. In a closed relationship you will talk about the nature of "jelousy" and how you feel about it maybe once every month or two. In Mltr's you are constantly doing touch ups, I would recommend doing such touch up talks almost once a week, even if it is just asking for a minute "So how have you been feeling lately?"

No it's pretty simple actually. You said that you can always be completly wrong. So I wrote that you are completely wrong because you are.

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A girl would ALLOW Brad Pitt to fuck him? Come on, why are than they histericaly crying when they see him. Why are girls sleeping in tents in front of the houses of famous guys? Because they would ALLOW then to fuck them?Smile))

You cant make out with a girl like that because you didnt showed her what you have to be the selector. The ''selector'' is a attitude trait in case you didnt know it. You show it with your personality, your bodylanguage and your words. Damn and you're telling me that I'm new.
Even Brad Pitt couldnt do that if a girl wouldnt know him. BUT he can do that because all of the girls know him. Think about it.

Of course I would fuck her for her looks ahahahahahahaha I'm crazy but not stupid ahahahahahahahahaha
But then I wouldnt invest my precious energy in her as much as I would in some girl who I would have her in mLTR or as a fuckbuddy.

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"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)

"aaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaahahahahhahaha" Clearly contrived laughter. Another common theme in your posts which suggests someone either covering up negative feelings, or someone who is very easy to emote and not very stable...

Take your pick

But why, did you want to prove this to me, why not brush it off, why are you continiuing to try and prove yourself to me?

I am, as most people are, well aware with the specefics of "I'm a selector theory", can you stop explaining it to me, and start actually defending it.

And yes a girl would allow Brad pitt to fuck her, thats precisely what defines him as attractive the fact that women WANT to fuck him. He didn't choose them as such, they said "He's hot, We want to fuck him".. then he see's his wife.. "she's hot I want to fuck her"

The thought pattern is identical.

Oh see I thought you were just selecting her!.. I didn't realise you needed to demonstrate to her how attractive you are... you know... like someone selling a product

first being the 'selector' is being ABLE to pick girls you like to date

then its a mindset?



Lose the ego dude.

You're not fooling anyone but yourself.

That's dumb. I can just as easily say MM is wrong because it is.

Start being more respectful prospect, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you should resort to ad hominem attacks.

Also, ever considered the possibility that you are either both right or both wrong, or both right in some of it?

Would both of you either go back to debating WITHOUT sly comments about who is wrong or who is lying or whatever.
They will eventually realise that I am right and everyone else is wrong!

I'm not answering to your provocation.

Back to fun debating ahahahahahaha

About the selector part...
And yes I am selecting her. The word ''show'' is matter of speech. She just has to see it with her eyes. It's like DHVing where you subtle show your value. But this is with intention to impress her.
What I'm talking about it's DHVing because just the way you are. It's what you do. You are high value guy who acts, thinks and do DHV stuff automaticaly. And if you do live like that than you are the selector.
You're not going there to impress her or to sell youself to her. You're going there to screen her if she is as good as she seems to be
(or is she just good for fucking because of her looks if you like). And that's the attitude what I'm talking about. I'm the PRIZE.
High value guys dont have to tell DHV stories. They just talk normal.

But with this means that you actually have to build your life. Game it's only the means to use your potential at 100%.
Why not start working out, get sexy, earn more money, build you life, start doing adrenalin stuff, get interesting.
If you're some loser with good game, when you get a 10 you'll have to keep gaming her all the time in order to keep her, because game is all you can offer. And that's pretty stressful.
Start growing in all areas of your life, and become the true selector. Let your value game your girls.

And than when you have high value (the potential to exploit) PLUS good game, you can get so many girls you'll be fucking 24/7 if you want, without much effort.

And guess what, with this you'll not only get girls as much as you want.....you'll actually get better richer life.

Why spend 4 years learning game and in the end all you can do is get girls.
While you can spend those 4 years learning game, developing your life, get education or better job, working out and at the end of 4 years you'll have money, sexy body and good game. And then you are the true selector.

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"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)

This, we are going in circles here.


DHV->Display/demonstrating higher value

If you are the selector, than why do you need to DISPLAY or DEMONSTRATE how attractive you are towards the female? I mean, it's not like she's choice in anything right.....



-Jav

Is it really so hard to understand you both select each other?
She dress's nice, does her make-up etc; you dress nice and talk some good game.
Guess what, you are BOTH trying to prove you are good to each other.