I've been on 3 dates with a girl that I just reconnected with after 5 years.

Date 1= I got a kiss on the cheek.
Date 2 and 3 = plenty of IOI's but no kiss.


She's hot and gets attention from other guys. Date three was rock climbing which created a good 'us' SPAM. Danger of hitting the friend zone! How do i kiss close? Thanks!

she wants you to kiss her. kiss her.
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When you mean kiss close do you mean a kiss at anytime in the night? Or at the end of the date? If your dates are structured don't expect a kiss at the end. You have to get in the right moment/ SPAM. I personally don't see the importance of a kiss.

Dude if your in danger of the friend zone your prob already there. Start gaming her hard! If she goes to kiss your cheek move kiss her on the lips, wink and smile and say good night. Kiss on the cheek is almost demeaning.

Anytime during the date. We're getting together on saturday night... I need top tips for gaming her hard on date number 4...!

Thanks in advance!! You guys are great

tease her tease her and tease her again... All that use for touching, pushin, punching etc... You must make her comfortable touching her, like its not a big deal. You have plenty stuff on forum how to do that... Tell some jokes whatever, just to touch her more... Only physical touch can get you out of friend zone, and stop being to nice to her. Use push/pull sometimes. Show her that she cant impress you that easy

Nice work!

And a good example of tried and tested push/pull..?

Hmm..

I never had any problems with kiss closing even when I was a clueless teenager. I could just sense that the time was right. You know, she is leaning in, pressing her shoulder and legs against you if you are sitting down or leaning in with her hips if you are standing. She is looking intently in your eyes and doesn't take them away. She has those soft, daydream eyes.

I never believed in kiss routines or whatever. The only thing I sometimes do is take my hand and brush some hair away from her face, then in the same motion putting my hand behind her head/neck and drawing her in. Then moving really close but not quite touching lips as to suspend the moment and then move in and kiss her if she doesn't first. But kissing a girl for me, I have always had more physical contact with her. If I can't put my arm around her or pull her in by the small of her back, then I am not going to try and kiss her.

I think night time dates are the best or you need at least some isolation and peace, where it's only the two of you if it's daytime. The mood is better for kissing at night and I think most girls prefer it that way as well. The kiss at the end of the date seems very constructed and not romantic at all for a girl.

Good stuff jackp! thanks for the message...

any advice on push/ pull?

push/pull, I think can mean many things and is a bit manipulative. Girls kinda like it though and expect it in my opinion. It gives them conflicting emotions and drama and we all know girls like drama.

An example with push pull is using jealousy. Like you would be out with her in a restuarant/pizza place/starbucks and you would give her a genuine compliment (pull) but then flirt with the waitress (push). Or flirt with her friend or whatever.

Or you could use it in the way Mystery wrote about like say something with conflicting meaning like: "Wow! You're really bad at xxxx (push) , you're lucky you got looks(pull)" or the other way around pull-push. SAY IT SEMI SERIOUS AND WITH A COCKY SMILE, to not come off as an asshole.

Or you can say stuff in a nightclub like "We shouldn't be doing this, we're so wrong for each other" and then pull her in physically.

You have to be careful with push-pull because it's a fine line between being an asshole and creating that tension that needs to be there.

So, I would just use some teasing instead, really middle school stuff. You know the stuff. It's ok to make fun of her when she slips up or says something dumb or that can be interpreted sexually.

Yesterday was date 4 = A lot of teasing, push/ pull, treating her like my little sis and increased kino... the result... another kiss on the cheek. bollocks!

Whenever you think your about to be in the friend zone, Shes probably thought you were there for awhile

I'll give it one more try. I'm still getting IOI's and kino. If you have any advice fire away...

One thing missing here. Did you GO for the kiss? She's not going to send you a written invitation or initiate herself. One of the biggest kiss cues I've noticed is when they look at you, they put their chin more toward their chest, angle their head a little then look you in the eye. I'll try to find a picture of "the look"

dude, 4 dates and no kiss?? that's very bad. i'm usually banging a girl on the 3rd or 4th date. let me ask you, are these dates always one-on-one or have most of them been group hangouts?

if she's willing to see you one-on-one then you've still got a chance, if not i'm sorry but you're in the friend zone. i know you probably want to take her on a creative date (rockclimbing, etc). the problem with a lot of these is that they don't provide a good oppurtunity to make out. you've already done that type of date anyway, so here's what you do now:

invite her over to your place to watch a movie. yea i know, it doesn't sound very exciting. here's the thing, during the movie you should be cuddling most of the time and by the end of it she will be very comfortable with your touch. there will also be silence when the movie ends so simply turn your head look her in the eyes, and if you can't kiss her right then and there i'll be damned!

Oh for the love of GOD MAN!!!! KISS HER!!!! Just grab her and kiss her. Simple! Give her a push then grab her and kiss her! Trust me if you don't do it soon you will be best buddies. If you're not already too late.