Lately, I tend to get more IOI's from girls who are at the venue with their boyfriend than from single girls. Examples: Female friends of girls that are taken come up to me and tell me that the taken girl likes me. Girls holding hands with their boyfriends keep looking at me quit often during the night. At some moments the boyfriend notices this and then grabs her arm and make her body switch completely away from me. Girls with boyfriends put themselves at my table with their backs directed to their boyfriends and body into my direction and then regularly start doing sexual things with their hair and stuff. If you say something to them they start to giggle, the boyfriend sees this, takes them away and then starts getting angry with me. The worst part, the girls enjoy the fight the boyfriend wants to start. When the boyfriend goes to the bathroom, the girl start giving proximity and directing body towards me and even pointing at me. When the boyfriend comes back, they turn their back towards me.

I noticed this especially the last 2 weeks with the holidays. Is this just an unlucky coincidence or do you guys experience similar things ? I am really disappointed with this because the main reason why I am in pickup is to eventually find a high quality girl to have a very serious relationship with. But after these experiences I had lately I don't know whether I will ever be able to trust a woman. To me it looks all women are just plain evil. If you guys can convince me that women are all evil, then I have no other option than find the high quality women I am looking for and cheat on her as much as possible. In that way, if she ever does something similar to me I can't blame her because I cheated on her too.

It's hard to still keep a women up on a pedestal after you see what most guys will never experience.

men and women are truly equal.

It's not our place to judge a female on cheating while we'd gladly do the same.

I sympathise.

Women and men cheat equally.

But, it sound like a nasty round of female mind games to me. It's pathetic behaviour on their part.

I hate to brake it to you, but you are nothing to them - guys treat women in the same way but a bit different.

Women are very good at pretending they fancy someone - they flick their hair, stroke themselves suggestivly, change their voice, give you that 'look'. If they really wanted to cheat, they would have found a way to find your phone number by now.

"the girls enjoy the fight the boyfriend wants to start" - yes I've seen it before, just shows how sad and pathetic they are.

Why do they do this to you you might ask? Well here's a very common situation that often comes up in toubled relationships.

Girl gets cheated on by boyfriend, or she doesn't feel sexually valued by him in some way. There might be a grain of truth in this, or she might be the really insecure type. He might not find her attractive enough and she feels really down about her body. Or he doesn't give her enough attention usually so she will do something that she KNOWS will trigger his attention.

To make her boyfriend jealous, or to get back at him for something, she will scan the club that she's in for someone who might look interested in her. That person is you of course. She then does something that she knows men like, shaping her body so that it flatters her curves, or licks her lips after finishing her white coloured cocktail in JUST the right way.....

BINGO!! She now knows she has your attention, and that you're responding. She feels a bit better about herself that someone else is actually attracted to her. All she has to do now, is wait until her boyfriend notices so that he can do that possesive protective thing that she loves so much.

And you? Well even though she probably enjoys your attention, she's probably laughing at you inside.

Sad isn't it? Men and women are both capable of wonderful, and horrible behaviour. If I were you, I would ignore any woman who obviously has a boyfriend - it's more trouble than it's worth.

Not every woman is like this Don Pua, just insecure ones. You will see that eventually.

Sounds like you need some stealth game - not sure if gambler is still doing the DVD but check it out if you can

Well you know what's even more serious than that is when chicks play tennis with other guys. That really pisses me off. When I find my HQ chicks, I try to play tennis with other girls as much as possible . . . you know . . . because I KNOW they're thinking about playing lots of tennis . . . with other guys.

I hope you're gonna stay a while on this forum

I wouldn't go as far as saying that I was giving them attention. In fact, in the first 2 examples I completely ignored the girls and even gave them harsh IOD's because that is all they deserve. In the last example I didn't know initially that they were taken which is why I made a small remark to make them giggle. After I found out they had boyfriends and they were as needy and jealous as hell, I started IODing them too. So I don't think any of them were laughing at me inside. Even before reading about pickup I have never been needy so after having read this no girl will ever enjoy my validation if she doesn't deserve it.

But I understand what you say. There are girls that like seeing guys fight over each other and in the last example that could really have been the case. In the other examples I don't think so because e.g. in the first case the girl was doing everything she could to make her friend stop to tell me that she liked me. At the end she did manage to tell it because she took her friend by surprise. Moreover I was preselected by several of her friends. That and many other things make me believe that her interest was very real.

But I did notice an interesting pattern. All these girls were very different. But their boyfriends all had a similar behavourial pattern. They were all as needy as hell. Some guys seemed or thought they were very cool, others were clearly wuss but they all shared needyness in their behaviour. They were very jealous, always sticked to the girlfriend, ... So I guess its the needyness they display that makes the girl want to leave the boyfriend. I can understand that a girl isn't completely happy in her relationship but I think it is very dishonest to put on a mask of a perfect relationship while in the meanwhile she is ready to leave him for someone else. The ethical thing to do is to stop the relationship and then go find another guy. Though I think that the needyness of the guys is the reason why the girlfriends are giving IOIs to other guys, I still think what they do isn't very fair.

Talk for yourself. I have never cheated on anyone. But I might cheat in the future because if I get convinced that this is how girls are, then I will definitely cheat on them.

I understand what you say Don Pua. I know that people cheat for various reasons, but I was commenting on a particuar problem in some relationships, one person has done some kind of wrong (cheating, ignoring the other person maybe), and their other half seeks to make themselves feel better about this wrong by trying to make them jealous. It might not be this complicated of course - they might just enjoy risk taking - the potential thrill of trying to hook up with someone whilst their boyfriend is in the same club!!!

As you are a woman I would really appreciate if you could honestly answer the following question:

Did you ever try to hook up with another guy while you were in a relationship ? And I am not only talking about trying to hook up in clubs but in general.

Nope!!

So are you advising that if she cheats on you that you make no big deal of it and let her cheat as much as she wants ? Or are you saying that if you are overly in love with a girl and she cheats on you that you just let her go because she cheated on you in order to break the circle and simply find someone else ? Or is there something else you advise ? I can't wait to get your advise on this one.

Good, so there is hope. Thanks for the honest reply.

lol that is ridiculious... she cheats so i can cheat .. lol total bullshit.
why lower yourself to the same level ?
if someone is fucked up you don't have to take revenge or anything, cheating proves your not trustworthy.
same with your job .. you are expected to show up on a certain time , but you don't, you cheat your boss.. until you get fired.

she cheated on you blablabla ok ... i got 2 ex GFs who cheated one me, they are fucked up and im not - Time learn from my mistakes and date someone from the church - to find myself a neat girl and not some easy influenced sex hyped chick.
Girls who often cheat send-off certain signals ... if she ever cheated twice she's prone to doing it again.

stop generalizing woman and stop the '' victim bullshit '' BE glad she cheated on you and be glad you aren't married and have children with her - then it would be way more worse if she cheats. If something doesn't work id rather prefer to see it straight away instead of over 5 years.

it's not like this ''she hurted you feelings and girls can't be trusted ''.. she can't trust herself and it's not your fault!
generalizing woman means your are talking about your mom as well...

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Makes sense. Thank you for your point of view.