I thought I’d do my first field report, actually its more of a question then a report, I have been really interested in direct game as opposed to indirect (Which I have been doing to little success till now) and tried my first direct approaches – The first went well, the girl was married (Should have checked for a ring), but she was really friendly and said she liked what I did and it made her day, so she walked off smiling (Which was a great feeling too, something indirect game hadn’t given me in the past), although the second one wasn’t so good. I stopped a woman and told her she was beautiful and absolutely meant it, but she just huffed and then even after stopping, walked away. I have no idea why, which kind of put me on a downer. Another old woman heard me and laughed and said something unlucky, but well done for trying. Haha which was still something good, although I cannot understand why a woman reacts like that, she stopped and was fine, moment I called her beautiful she just huffed and started walking – Any thoughts? Would really help. Thanks

Probably she walked away cause a lot of women hear they are beautifull all the time.
You should suprise them by saying something about the street you're in, about her clothes, your clothes.
Sometimes i just start blabbering about some historical fact about alexander the great or some philosophy thing wich plato or aristoles said or something.

But be sure to keep it short though.

I respect you for having the balls to walk up to them and talk to them wich is something a lot of people cant do, but still you need to work on your opener.
Maybe you should read the approaching and opening forum and maybe get some ideas from there.

What attraction includes:
Dominance
- You have to approach girls by confronting them at least as equal as you. If you dont, like most AFCs, you are naturally in a weaker position. This doesent benefit your seduction in any way. On the countrary, it only makes you the under taker who is trying to suck them up and trying to please them in every way without showing any leadership qualities [ = Alpha male ]. Now does this sound attraction to you? Think about it! Imagine that you are in a bar and that there is a HB 10 at the bar accounter. Now, replace her with you ( you are now that HB 10 ). While you are waiting your drink, some random guy walks up to you and starts telling you how beautifull and perfect you are. He even insists to pay your drink. Now, freeze that image and think back. Wouldnt you agree that this guy lowered his own value and putted him self on a lower position by sucking you up? What about now when he is trying to buy you a drink, does this rise his value? Yeah, it doesent. Now what about a guy who approaches you in a real confident way and starts a convo just simply saying ” hi ” and interacts like he would be talking to his best buddy? Now which one triggered more attraction? The sucker or the guy who simply said hi?!
You need to show that they are just faces among the others and that you wont eat that outer crap no matter how sexy push up bras they are wearing. You are not confused like all the other guys at the club just because she happens to be hot. When you dont give her any ” extra ” value due to her beauty, at the same time you are stripping all the power which she would have when she is socializing with punch of AFCs trying to buy her off with drinks and money.
So long story short.
Be the guy who doesent give any extra credit to her beauty/ outer essence and confront them at least as equal as you ( through the whole time you spend with her. ). Girls generally want a guy who is ” stronger ” ( im not talking about muscles ) than them. They want someone who is leading and not putting them on the pedestal. Someone who takes care of them if the situation so requires. You simply lower your chances if you dont confront them in an equal way because attraction requires that you evoke positive and warm emotions inside her. These postitive and warm feelings are basically created inside her head when you have value in her eyes. Now how the hell can you have value in her eyes when you first confront her as a " servant ". I tell you, you dont.

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Great reply, randomly. LOLZ philosophy and history. Thats good stuff. However, I would advise you (parkview) to calibrate yourself so that these kind of burns happen as little as possible. Consider thinking about your tonality, your body language, ect. because those things are crucial to not being burned. I think that it is best to come in with more energy than the person you are opening because then they feel that they should talk to you.

Once you have calibrated yourself correctly, consider what you are saying to them. There are two imperative things here: WHAT you are saying, and HOW you are saying it. The latter is more vital but the former cannot be disregarded either. Look around the forum and you can easily find openers for direct game (the WHAT to say). Looking at HOW to say it, focus on your communication skills and how to improve them.

Now, once you have these things down pact (which you must attain with much practice sarging away), you must take into account that there will be times that you simply will have some burns in your gaming career, which is normal--you cannot win them all. You should take these moments to reflect on what you may have done wrong and calibrate that so that it does not happen again. Note that it could simply be a girl with a bad day or some other issues that may have been an uncontrollable factor; if this is the case, so what!, go for another one because that is simply her lost in not meeting or getting to know you, which is a priveldge. Good luck, dude, and I hope I could have helped.

This is exactly the reason why indirect game was invented ... Sometimes being direct can be good, sometimes terrible. By being direct you put her on a pedastle. You want her and you show it. By being indirect you can fool with her and at the end make her chase you so you are in the dominant position. Both techniques are usefull. For really hot women, use indirect game. For less attractive women you can be more direct.

Haha thanks works almost every time

Thank you!

Your textbook advice is an enourmous contribution to this forum.



You clearly have no idea how direct game works.


In correct direct game, there is no needyness. You know girls and guys are equal. so there's no pedestal, that's actually indirect game, kicking her off that imaginary pedestal(dude, pedestals only exist in your head) with negs.
You're being wanty and honest.

Being direct is also textbook. Textbook is what people have tried in practice but then written down in a book. Everything is textbook. Every form of interaction with a woman can be found in a textbook.

My idea is that if you go direct, you show your intentions immediately. So a girl will have to judge you on the spot. If you are direct and needy both at the same time, you are almost definitely game over. If you are direct and nonneedy, she will have to judge you immediately. Some girls will reward you for your confidence. Other girls will maybe respect your confidence but still shoot you down. Direct game is perfect for really good looking men. If you are normal looking you can still get women but you will be more succesfull if you go indirect.

Most people have a complete wrong idea about what indirect game actually is. Indirect game is more than just opening with an opinion opener. I would suggest you to open your textbook again and read it 10 times untill you finally get the point of indirect game. As I can tell from you arrogant reaction you think you are a smart guy and that there is nothing you can learn. You already know everything. But I can tell you right now that you have no clue about what indirect game really is. You think you get it, but you don't. Mystery isn't such a dumbass as one might initially think. The guy is a freaking genius. His indirect game is the best possible way to attract women. I realize that now.

Yes, in the beginning I was doubting him too. But heaving read his books and ideas I went in the field and I could notice day after day that the things Mystery said were true. After some months of seeing all these patterns in the field I finally completely understood Mystery's indirect game. I realized that his indirect game is much more better than direct game. You don't have to believe it. I only think it is a pity that you shoot down textbook game because it doesn't work for you. It isn't working for you because you don't apply it well. And it is even more pityfull that by shooting indirect game down, you are also shooting down the best possible advice for the starter of this thread.

If you went out enough (which you should before giving advice on the forum TBH)

You would have known that girls size you up the minute you walk up. (labeling others is just natural, you do it too with the fat chick you label as unnattractive=not worth your time)

The reason why I mentioned your textbook advice is because it can be found anywhere (just like you said), and thus adds little to no value to your post. What is valueable? Personal situations.


Your whole reply is filled with assumptions (youre not backing it up with concrete examples) on game, leaving my doubted if you have ever spoken to a random girl or god forbid, stood inside a nightclub.
Your last bit on indirect game is nothing but vague.


Oh btw, deal with your ego getting hurt every once in a while.


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I restate what I said before. You have no clue of what is indirect game. Indirect game has nothing to do with indirect openers. It goes much more profound than that. I stay very vague because of your arrogant attitude. I don't feel like explaining you indirect game. Yes, you are right. I have never ever been inside a nightclub and I have never ever spoken to a girl I have no experience at all Ego's wouldn't get hurt if people would be a bit more educated.

I realy don't get your point. This is the most stupid movie I ever saw. Mystery was behaving really weird in this video. He was going against his own rules like leaning in constantly. Than you see him do some magic tricks but the maker of this video just left out what happened after the magic tricks. It also looked like Mystery was just teaching some students while Julian Foxx was only there to close 1 girl. This 1 girl might even have been a girl he knew and he put her there to make a fake video to promote himself.

On the other hand I saw Julian applying everything that Mystery wrote in his books. Like kinoing, faking disinterest, negging, wearing clothes that make him stand out ... So in one way it is kind of low of this julian fox to try to take Mystery down with this video while he clearly is applying 90 % of what is described in the mystery method.

The only thing I don't know was whether he opened direct or indirect. Moreover, even if his opener was direct, I never said direct game never works. I said indirect game works better. This Julian Foxx looks much better than Mystery so I guess he will have more succes going direct than Mystery. But again, indirect game works much better. The problem is that you guys think indirect game is just going up to a girl and ask whether girls kissing girls is cheating. You completely miss the point of indirect game.

I also think the contest he wanted with Neil Strauss is completely ridiculuous. Neil Strauss looks hidious. Of course looks matters. This Julian Foxx applies everything Mystery said and he is better looking. How on earth can Neil Strauss beat him ? I would also never go into a battle that I might lose. Neil Strauss doesn't need to prove himself to anybody. The only beneficiary of this duel would be Julian Foxx. Strauss as well as Mystery would be stupid to fight out a duel with anybody. This Julian Foxx is a big child.

Back to the point of the post, NOT ALL GIRLS ARE GOING TO LIKE YOU!!!

Especially with direct street game approaches which are by far the lowest yield in terms of actually getting laid.

Doing a direct street approach should usually only be used when you have less than 5 minutes and no other chance of gaming the girl. Otherwise there are far better ways to open.

JS

Explain why indirect is so awesome, without being so freaking vague.

Feel free to pm the explanation.

I'm just gonna cut in on this flame war before the thread gets locked.

Here are the reason I prefer indirect game in clubs and bars.

If I'm going up to everyone and talking to them - guys, girls, mixed sets, etc. Then it looks extremely congruent for me to approach the HB9s and 10s later after I've done some sets. They see me as the sociable guy that a lot of people know. That raises my value before I've even opened my mouth. It also allows me to meet new people when I go out, which enriches my life apart from just getting an f-close.

Secondly, a "rejection" or "blow-out" in an indirect pickup is nothing more than a lack of reaching a hook point, or a glance away, or something like that. It's so minor that I can still leave my social proof intact by just saying "good meeting you" and walking away if a set isn't going well. I have that luxury because no girl is gonna slap me or throw a drink on my face for asking where the cloakroom or the bar is.

Thirdly and most importantly, an indirect method is playing a very fun and exciting game with the girl. You're constantly keeping her guessing about whether you're into her or not. Active disinterest, push/pull, etc. are fun to play and she LIKES that. Keeping her guessing makes her WANT YOU MORE. If you direct, you're immediately signalling your intentions from the beginning. She now has to make a decision on the spot about whether she wants to fuck you. If she says yes, then great, but with this method you get far more blowouts that are harsher, and now the whole venue has seen you get totally blown out. You do that 3-4 more times, and your value will be so lowered that you'll get blown out of every set thereafter.

To me, the challenge in game is to reach a stage where I just KNOW that I can approach ANY girl and within a few minutes be able to generate real attraction in her for me. Only indirect game can do that. Going direct is basically a numbers approach that sidesteps the GENERATION of attraction because it only works if they ALREADY HAVE IT. You're basically missing a significant chunk of what gaming is.

To give a hypothetical example, let's say we take a single woman and find out the sort of guy that really isn't her type. Maybe she finds pale skin and blond hair particularly unattractive in a man. Now let's give 2 PUAs the task of pulling her that night. They each are blond, pale, and equally attractive. They're wearing equally nice clothes, have the same amount of money, are equally confident, and both have the same exact amount of gaming abilities from kino escalation to comfort building to seduction. The only difference is that one of them uses indirect and the other direct.

What's gonna happen? The direct guy is gonna do some warm up sets maybe, get himself in state, having a good time with his friends, and then he's gonna walk right up to her and do a direct opener. Chances are, she will reject him. After all, he's unattractive to her based on his looks, and she has no reason to want to get to know him. She knows nothing about his character, his charm, his intelligence, because he's made her make that split second decision.

Now, that second PUA goes indirect, and he has the chance of actually building attraction through displaying his other qualities, such as humour, intelligence, ability to physically escalate. Before she knows it she's swept away. Later the next day when she leaves his place and goes to lunch with her girlfriends, they say "wait a minute, this guy totally doesn't sound like your type at all?!" "I KNOW" she replies, "but there's just something about him that's so different!"

You can say what you like about just going around "knowing you're the fucking man" and being super confident, but not every woman is just gonna SEE that immediately. Going indirect gives you the opportunity to actually DISPLAY all your other attractive qualities to her, and then smoothly transition and escalate without ever giving her the opportunity to have to make a decision. To me, that's what sweeping a girl off her feet is all about.