I see my friends, and girls just chase them, not just attraction
but actually want to be friends with them. when they meet there is excitement,energy, they were looking forward to see them even just as friends.
But that never happens to me, i dont know the reason to this and it bothers me.
at most they say hi and a kiss on the cheek. They never seem to call or text me
there not invested in me.I cant even get into the friends zone let alone attraction. Does anyone knows what im talking about?
i would really appreciate some help
thx guys

try to be more interesting then your friends. girls like guys that are interesting. talk about random stuff or stuff you have knowledge about... be wierd in a sense. "Man that line for twilight earlier was huge cant belive i waited on it for 3 hours". say funny things be the alpha male of your group.

start by even explaining some of your frustrations to your friends. They are exactly that your friends meaning they enjoy your company for something. Ask them for pointers or how to express the qualities that you do have to attract more women. Sure you might get dogged for a few but friends help out out man.

growing up my friend was alpha as hell. we were 16. he had the girls come over. always more then one. and hed work them both and Id be sidelined watching them fight over his attention. after 2 or 3 nights of that shit i got tired of it. asked the advice. he was straight up. next week i was the center of attention. I got more numbers. I got the girls I wanted =] Good luck mate

lol what was the advice that he gave you then? lol
im only 17 btw so not that much older than u were.
and say could it be that overusing negs can lead to this lack of investment?
cause i neg a lot im really cocky most of the time, should i tone it down?
and well how do i tone it down? its so natural for me to neg that i dont even think about it.
i want to use afc adams entourage game, but i dont have any female friends and
thats the problem. for some strange reason i cant get girls to be friends with me
i mean a friendship where they call me and text me. and wanting to be with me even as just friends

im also in high school and i got into the game about a month or two ago (so take the advice or leave it)

i was/am still very C&F but i tweaked some things about my game. first i started to say things that some guys would reply to "is he gay" but it was cool because it shows you're comfortable with your sexuality and girls do like that.
for example ive told girls that we should go shopping for manpurses and i get to choose what type of glitter to put on the purse. its not serious at all and girls go along with it so it works out just fine. this works great because the girl role plays with me and it gets convo started.

another thing im working on is eye contact, look a girl in the eye (refer to the eye contact thread) and just give a smug nod or 'hi'.

then kino is a great part of high school because when a girl hugs you, you can use a routine (not made up by me) which is saying 'you call that a hug? cmon!' and ive had girls hug me for 10 15 seconds and promising to give a better hug tomorrow.

and lastly if you are comfortable with girls you can make sexual jokes easily, but before you try to do the sexual jokes work on the other things i mentioned.

these are just some pointers that ive noticed about myself improve over the last month. hope it helps, good luck

Generalized, this seems like great advice. I remember a story from Style's "The Game" in which he was competeing with Andy Dick for attention. He said something similar.

Basically, you have find way to DHV over the group. Maybe learn some magic tricks, or esp games to get yourself to standout. My wing has been getting a "tip" of a dollar from AFOG (not his target) and folding into an origami vagina. The whole experience is a lot of fun, and the rapport built for both of us with the group is incredible.

Also sounds like your closing may need some work. The closing is were you establish second contact. If you're not getting that, and it's what you desire, then that should be your focus.

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thx for the advice so from what i understand i need to dhv more
but is there a way to dhv without those stipid stories or magic tricks?
and how to learn to act alpha? its nice to say act alpha but i dont know how
its not something u turn on and off

Keep in mind that everyone has an unconscious thought of "You want what you cant get" and right now it seems as if you are trying too hard and putting yourself on a silver plate to these girls.

How about just say.. Talking with them for a while? I mean google the words "Deep Rapport" and just practice making actual conversations. I don't know everything about your problem, but the majority of this kind is when the guy isn't able to have a proper conversation.

Very simple.

What you could do is to get a wing, and go out and challenge each other in speaking with random women on the street. Not to pick them up but to practice your social skills. A challenge could be as simple as for the Wing to say to you: Go talk to that woman about fruit for 10 minutes. I mean it's a pretty simple topic, it improves your social skills and it's kinda fun.

"lol what was the advice that he gave you then? lol
im only 17 btw so not that much older than u were. "

well my best buddy is a personal trainer so rolling around with him and taking his advice was very easy.

He explained to me to work on my humor i consider myself a pretty funny guy and learned to tweak it in a sense to attract more girls. But humor gets you attention not laid.

also it seems stupid i used to give the worst hand shakes. he called me dead fish. shake/ghetto slap hands w/e you do make them hard and firm.
look people in the eye when you do it act like your happy to meet/see them again.

Also my posture was terrid i walked around like a hermit. i learned to straighten up and always sit up high when i sit. Not only does it display confidence its alot better on your back aswell.

and about being alpha idk man its a state of mind. Wake up every morning do 20 pushups EVERY MORNING as soon as you get out of bed, no excuses. Then when you look in the mirror invent a catch phrase. Mine is "I'm the shit and I do not care what people think about me". Helped me thru college speaking class too. Run when you can, do a light workout anything to get andorphenes(sp?)
in the body, stay busy take care of yourself you will notice a change in you and others/females will notice too.

I have an assignment for you. Befriend a girl at your school or work or whatever and get her to hangout tell her to bring some friends and you bring your friends. Then to your friends your the man bringing the girls over that want to hangout, the girls are going to have a good time with you and your friends, and you slowly but surely start working towards getting attention, numbers, kisses, idk man whatever you wanna do lol. That my friend is the road to alphaness. Goodluck

and btw to your DHV comment

They are no stupid stories its how you tell it.

Stretch simple stories at first into epic events. Believe in what you say. I got a buddy dumb as a box of rocks and can turn a simple I ate a turkey sandwich earlier into an epic event. And this guy pulls more ass then youd belive.

wow thats some great advice right there, i will work on that.
i do suspect i dont so rapport enough and negg then way too often meaning theres
no connection. for some reason rapport in my mind was always an afc kind of thing
that leads to LJBF zone,
u use rapport after attraction but how do i know that shes attracted to me?

less reading, less codewords like "dhv and rapport" , more doing, stop thinkin so god damn much they are girls, not rocket science.