Last night,I had a party with a dozen of friends,one of them was a girl which a few weeks ago on another party showed IOI and started kino with me.
So,saw her again last night,got a lot of IOIs,kino escalated and then this guy started talking to her while I was away and started building attraction.

Again,later that night,after flirting with me,she is talking to the same guy,and I see how he tries to AMOG me constantly.He teases her,Push-Pull,later we go to a club,he starts talking to bouncers and bartenders,and I am thinking "No way,this guy is natural!".
But afterwards,I see some flaws in his game,like not opening any set,he always comes back directly to us,shows neediness,tries too hard.Then,I hear him use the "Your nose wiggles when you smile..." neg.

So,as much as the guy seemed like natural,later I see him not acting like a real Alpha male,tries too hard to AMOG me,and uses a canned routine.

Now,the point is,how can you distinguish other PUAs from naturals?
Would you ask someone about it when you see them game?

Do you really care if someone is a PUA or a natural ? Why should that be important ? Natural or not, he was trying to steal your target. You should have tried to lower his R&S value by negging him in front of the girl so that she can see that you are more alpha male than him. Another thing you could have done is just to open another hot girl, start gaming her. If your target sees this, she will probably get jealous and leave the AMOG in order to win you back. Or you game another girl, than introduce her to your target and the AMOG and suddenly say to her: "OK, let's now leave these 2 alone because this guy is really doing his best to pick my friend up and I don't want us to spoil it for him . " Look at the guy and tell him: "Good luck ey ". By doing this you ruin his game. Also, the target will feel more attracted to you because you walk away with another girl and you don't care that another guy is gaming her.

In this case, he used a canned line so he probably isn't a natural. I think if a guy is doing 90 % of the things you read about than he isn't a natural. If you see him negging, kinoing a lot, tease, push-pull, some routines that look like canned routines, ... than he probably is a PUA and not a natural. I also wouldn't bother to ask him about it. Especially not if he tries to steal your girl. I would use my knowledge of PUA to dominate the frame and make him go home crying.

Well,here it is pretty rare for someone to know about pickup (I come from Croatia,the same country as Badboy),so I could use someone to discuss it,and would like to observe someone sarging/get observed so he can point out my mistakes.
Basically,a wingman.


I did open a 2-set while in a club with them,but not very successfully,AMOG'd him (I showed dominance by invading his space,hand around neck and ordering him to get us a beer...and he did) and then isolated the target after he pumped her BT.The only problem is that I couldn't K-close her beacuse I could lose some friends beacuse of it (they got LJBF'd).

Well if you are looking for a wingman, why do you want to wing with a stranger ? I have 3 wingmans. I went to 2 friends and 1 cousin which I really trusted. I told them about the game and made them promise to tell this to nobody and keep it to ourselves. I don't want the rest of the world to know about this, of course. The less people know about it, the better for us, right ? So now I am sarging with them. And they tell nothing to anyone.

If you made him go for a beer you did really well. You lowered his R&S value. Very good !!! You don't have to K-close the girl. You can just try to find out what you both have in common. E.g. suppose you both really like to drink cocktails. You could ask her to go have a cocktail with you because you know this place where they serve really good cocktails and bla bla bla. So you ask for her number. Next time at the cocktailbar you are alone with her and you can try to K-close her there.

In my opinion,it would be easier to wing with someone who already has some experience...

I was thinking of getting my friends into the game,but after analysing,only one of them is close and reliable enough to tell it to him.The other ones would say they don't need it or they would tell everyone about it.

I will try next time to get her to do something with me,we have a lot incommon so it won't be a problem.I'll try to atleast #close next time I sarge (next saturday,probably).

I have winged and been winged by complete strangers I have met there and then. We are all hoping to get with women and all hit the same obstacles so yarr just wing strangers and good karma and all people will start winging you

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