See I'm in High school and I have an Okay exp. with girls. I'm a pretty good looking guy. I'm especially good when the girl is in my group it makes it so much easier to open. But I was never able to do that with older meaning upper class girls. It's like I know right off the bat there's no chance with her. Is there a way around this? or Should I just stick with my age and younger?

I am in high-school too,and am thinking about the same thing.Usually,here older girls stick to their generation,but todays,I used a situational opener on a 3-set (they were talking about twilight,so I came and asked them something about that guy glowing in the movie).As I know a bunch of twilight jokes I made them laugh,negged my target a bit,and later got a few IOIs from nearly the whole group (except the target.damn.).

So,my suggestion is,get to know some older guys and use situational openers.Ofcourse,if you look like a kid,it won't work.

You have identified your own problem here.

Like so many other things in life, in dating and seduction, you usually get whatever you expect to get. If you go into a situation thinking you're going to fail, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and you most likely will. If, on the other hand, you approach an older girl with the same temperament as you do the younger ones (meaning you don't place extra significance on her due to her being born a few years before you), you will likely draw out a similar conclusion.

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When I was in high school I was the youngest in my family, and my brother was a Senior when I was a Freshman, and I hung out with all my brothers friends and they became my own friends, and that was the easiest way for older women to talk to you. They'll see a freshman talking and keeping the conversation going with a bunch of seniors, and they'll be wondering what's the deal?

If you don't have any older siblings with friends, or if you just don't get along with your siblings...then there is a lot I've got to talk to you about.

The HORRIBLE thing about high school is that when you're in your teenage years is when your ego pretty much dominates you. And it shows easily in high school with all the cliques, clubs, sport figures, and even teachers who add too a persons ego. It's easy to get caught up in it.

So how do we alter a whole high schools perception on you? It isn't easy.

First you've got to get rid of your own ego. Converse with all the nerds, jocks, beautiful girls, the ugly girls, the teachers pet, the rich kids, and everyone. Keep your options open, and DO NOT JUDGE. And I've noticed by your post that you're even judging yourself...DO NOT DO THAT.

After you've gotten rid of your ego, then you'll notice that people like you for who you are, and you'll have people coming up to you and you won't see people as nerds, or beautiful people, but as equals and it'll be a beautiful thing.

See...from my experience in high school...I'm a completely overweight individual, and in Junior high I had self-esteem issues. But then I began thinking of myself in a completely different light one summer, and I thrived! I noticed people telling me all the time, "You've changed", or "I never really took the time to get to know you, but you're great!" Then I found the Venusian Arts, and Real Social Dynamics, and David DeAngelo, and they taught me how to become a person that lives off self-esteem, and not the ego. And that was a life changing notion that made me become not only popular with the "Popular" people. But I'd be popular with everyone, and I'd spread the value I've built for myself with other people that had emotionally crippling self-esteem issues. And those people became my truly close friends.

Bottom line....work on your inner game, and think of yourself as a better person worth being around those older, or more popular people. And you'll notice that true...there are some people with really big ego problems, that have a set thought in their mind that causes them to miss out on meeting some truly great people. But that's what you want anyway, right? And that's what I learned...that picking up people as friends, and picking up women as lovers and the techniques I've learned socially filters out the bad people, and brings in the good people.

So It's something you'll have to work on.

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