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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:58 am 
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So I went out to a friends party around last week and walked up to a 3 set, this being my first time really doing this I went for the 7.5 instead of the 8/9’s she was with. Baby steps. I opened up with the Maury line, did the whole neg/compliment thing, basically what I’ve learned for far from The Game. Long story short I ended up getting her number and talking to her on Monday. She seems like a alright girl, but from her texts earlier lacking some confidence, she was insisting I had my beer goggles on when I approached her. Here’s the gist of you first convo:

(Me) 6:37 that when i met you, you said i must of had beer goggles on.

(HB7) 6:41 oh.. Well generally guys at parties have a drunker outlook haha

(Me) 642 Most guys are also afraid to talk to beautiful women. and i’m not most guys

(HB7) 6:46 Look i’m gonna be honest here.. I dont want to string you along or anything, because it seems like ur hitting on me yes?.. But i’m pretty busy right now and i’m always down to make new friends but im not really looking for romantic involvement or whatnot. If you’re not hitting on me i’ll totally be really sheepish but.. Thats the vibe i’m getting from you... I’m sorry!

(HB7) 6:47 As I said though, friends are always good, and u seem like a good friend!

(Me) 6:51 i consider it being a little flirty. but not totally hitting on you. don’t mean to sound like an ass but i don’t really know you enough to even think about devoting a lot of time to you. mistakes happen. it’s all good

(HB7) 6:57 Haha thats chill then.. Sorry, guys can be strange sometimes.. Its just hard to tell u know? As i said, if i was wrong i’ll feel sheepish so there ya go. I feel sheepish :)

(Me) 7:02 Apology accepted. If I really wanted something I would have the other night.

(HB7) 7:09 Haha no worries. i’ll admit i dont get flirted with a lot, hence the quick-to-assume reaction.

(Me) 7:12 it’s all good. I usually don’t get called out on it. most take it as a compliment

(HB7) 7:14 Well i’m rather different than most, haha

(Me) 7:18 you’re not a guy are you?!

(HB7) 7:19 hahaha wth, i am very much a girl tyvm

(Me) 7:21 ok good. after the beer goggles and the last comment I just had to make sure.

(HB7) 7:22 you have no idea how tempted I was to say yes and screw with your mind haha. Were you really that drunk??

(Me) 7:23 It’s hard to mess with me. I know whats bull and what isnt. and no, but i’ve learned that looks can be deceiving.

(HB7) 7:24 haha i can’t believe you thought i was a man!! its almost kind of insulting.

(Me) 7:27 I never said you were. you just said things to make me think a little. I mean, you questioned my judgement, didn’t like me being flirty and said you were different than most girls. so what makes you so different?

(HB7) 7:30 haha this is so amusing! i’m just pretty cynical, thats all. So it makes me have a diff perspective on things.

(Me) 7:31 good. amusing and entertaining people is what I do best. glad it can work on a complete stranger.

(HB7) 7:33 Stand up comedian huh?

(Me) 7:33 guess again

(HB7) 7:34 haha um, what other options are there?

(Me) 7:35 pick from a catagory of people who entertain and amuse i’ll give you two shots at this. I might have to stop talking to you if you’re way off

(HB7) 7:37 hm i cant really thing of it, its been a long day. my brains rather numb. Class clown? haha

(Me) 7:38 a more mature version but close enough

(HB7) 7:39 wait wait wait, are you really a clown??? or did i interpret that completely wrong?

(Me) 7:40 oh jeez you’re way out on left field on that one

(HB7) 8:17 haha well dont forget. texts dont come with tones of voice

Not the smoothest, but I'm trying. Any tips on what I could do better/if I did anything wrong. I basically stop talking after that because I lost interest.


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uh...are you having this ENTIRE conversation by text message?

Basically you showed a massive IOI by saying "most guys are afraid to talk to beautiful women"

i.e. I had the confidence to talk to you, and you are beautiful

Notice her reaction - very defensive, telling you she wasn't interested in a relationship, telling you she got the 'vibe' you were hitting on her.

Secondly, this is a REALLY LONG post, and most people won't read this far. Try to condense your posts into the important points.

Thirdly, use text messages to keep the momentum of your interaction going, and to make future plans. Escalation, kino, comfort, seduction, etc. can ONLY happen when you're actually face to face with the girl. Don't forget that.


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Yes, it was all texts. Thanks for the help, man. I appreciate it.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:55 am 
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First time out and you made yourself a friend. This is good. You dictate the conversation which is good but your dictating it towards the "friend zone".
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(Me) 6:37 that when i met you, you said i must of had beer goggles on.
You started off with a "negative topic" and shoved her into a corner, making her a bit defensive and scrambling for answers. I'm sure you guys shared more positive topics. I'm sure during the conversation at the party, she must have gone, "Wow", "Cool", "Awesome", etc . . . several times. Next time, try beginning with the topic that elevated her emotions previously. She'll go right back to that excited frame.(That had her excited enough to give you her number!) Had you done that, I'm quite sure that you wouldn't have heard:
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(HB7) 6:46 Look i’m gonna be honest here.. I dont want to string you along or anything, because it seems like ur hitting on me yes?.. But i’m pretty busy right now and i’m always down to make new friends but im not really looking for romantic involvement or whatnot. If you’re not hitting on me i’ll totally be really sheepish but.. Thats the vibe i’m getting from you... I’m sorry!
But if a thing like this does happen, I'd address it directly as opposed to back peddling and basically "lying" your way out. (Notice how she makes a ton of excuses but says NOTHING about not being attracted to you or that you're not her type, etc . . . NO, she blames her "busy schedule". This is just a defensive mechanism.

So why not, "Wow, you're perceptive. Am I that obvious? Ha ha ha . . . well, I respect your busy schedule. How about a friendly ice cream on Saturday then? Instead, you validated her fears and basically told her straight out that you have no interest in her:
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(Me) 6:51 i consider it being a little flirty. but not totally hitting on you. don’t mean to sound like an ass but i don’t really know you enough to even think about devoting a lot of time to you. mistakes happen. it’s all good
So, she feels she needs to play along. (But let me tell you something. She felt a sting in her heart right there)

. . . And more stings of the heart here:
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(HB7) 6:57 Haha thats chill then.. Sorry, guys can be strange sometimes.. Its just hard to tell u know? As i said, if i was wrong i’ll feel sheepish so there ya go. I feel sheepish :)
. . . And then . . . Oh no! You brought up the taboo topic again! . . . LOL . . . no big deal:
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(Me) 7:21 ok good. after the beer goggles and the last comment I just had to make sure.
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(HB7) 7:22 you have no idea how tempted I was to say yes and screw with your mind haha. Were you really that drunk??
What she means is, "SHIT!!!!! Come on! I thought that you might have been really interested in me. Were you REALLY beer goggling? Am I that ugly? I wanted to kiss you so badly!
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(Me) 7:23 It’s hard to mess with me. I know whats bull and what isnt. and no, but i’ve learned that looks can be deceiving.
^I know what you're trying to get at but it's probably the wrong time to pull this one out of your bag. So . . . she needs to play along:
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(HB7) 7:24 haha i can’t believe you thought i was a man!! its almost kind of insulting.
Here's the thing. Usually, when a man and a woman become "friends", it starts off with one wanting to fuck the other. The other declines . . . so they just remain friends. One is comfortable with the other suffering "blueballs" and "taking care of all their needs" while the other thinks that some day, he/she will win the other over. In this case, I'm going with HER wanting to fuck you . . . but you're continuing to lead her to believe that you don't want a piece of her. So she continues to back peddle and keep her emotions locked up. (But she can't hide it because she LOVES communicating with you.) She WISHES you were flirting with her. She HOPES that you weren't "beer goggling".

Next time you get a number, associate that number with fun and excitement. And associate that number with a FUN EVENT. So when you call, she's already expecting that you're calling to TAKE HER OUT. Then the call is easy. Since you already told her that you two should go to ________ some time and she gave you the number saying, "Cool, that sounds like fun," You just call her and go:

You: Wow, Saturday was fun. Your friend slipping in that beer sludge was hilarious.
Her: Ha ha . . .blah, blah . . .ha ha. . . .blah, blah . . .

You: Friday night. The ________, it's going to be hot. You ready?
Her: (What do you think?)

Then when you meet, you immediately give her a big hug and hold her hand across the street. She'll know that "it's on". You already knew . . .


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:03 am 
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Every time I reply to these, people like kasabi and blond guy have already posted awesome responses that answer the question completely! So, in effect, I'll agree with both of them.

If you have not read Rich's (aka Gambler's) 'Rejection Report' on Stealth Attraction, I highly recommend you do. It's on his site,

www.stealthattraction.com

And its free. And I think you could get a lot out of it. It is 37 pages, but I read it in about 30 minutes (large font). Take notes!

Good luck.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:27 am 
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Actually, in previous texts she kept bringing the beer goggle thing up. So it threw me off and figured it would be something funny/sarcastic to bring up. So should I just drop this girl like a bad habit or freeze her out and start over again? (forgot who said it, but I know I recently read it on these forums). Either way, there's no emotional attachment to this chick.

Thanks guys, helps a lot. And, Sharplin I'll read it as soon as I can.


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