hey guys, I'm new here but thought I'd ask a few questions and tell my story of my last night out..

I went into a clothing shop yesterday, and saw a pretty attractive girl working there. I asked her, “hey you work here? I need a girls/female opinion on this, what type of belt suits me blah blah blah...I want a belt that stands out”. I don’t know why, but whatever I said, she replied in a dull tone, I couldn’t really start the negs because the conversation had run its course. I could’ve asked about her work or something, but the way she responded to my initial question (even though I asked it in a cheery voice) left me let down. Even when I asked her, I said something like “yeah I really like the bling on this belt.” And still no response from her...Whatever.

I Think:
When I first entered the store, I asked her about belts without moving onto something more interesting. Instantly from the moment I asked her that question without escalating to a more interesting thread, I was under the group “Customers/Potential Customers”. And she would most probably reply to all people in the same manner, unless she knew them and therefore had them grouped into another section of her mind: maybe friends...family, etc. She had probably been asked about a belt several times in the past week, there was no reason for her to reply in a different way to me. The belt thread lead nowhere. Unless I started asking about her work (which I actually thought about at the time but didn’t do) the thread would eventually run dry.
The same thing happened last week. I went into a clothes store and talked to a HB7. I asked about belts (haha...funny) and I didn’t lead the conversation anywhere. It stayed on belts, and she eventually walked away to serve other customers. I know it’s bad to have a complete plan set out, but I should at least have an outline of what to say when I see the conversation is dying out. And I need to quickly move myself out of the Potential Customer/Customer zone and into a group where she associates me with her actual personality.
So this will be an opener (for girls working in clothes stores):

Me: Hey, I’ll only take up a minute of your time, but I need a female’s opinion on this. (I will ask about something more interesting than belts..maybe hats?) Then if she say's yeah it looks good (or if she say's she doesn't like it, I'll ask why?), I'll say really? so it doesn't look gay?

Now I'll lead into a different topic
Me: ...
I don't really know how best to lead onto something else..
Any suggestions?

Or any suggestions for a good opener and so on?

EDIT: I also plan to do the newbie drill tomorrow. So hopefully I can get rid of approach anxiety in the next month or so and talk to anyone anywhere!

seriously? no advice? from anyone?


lol.
I changed the name of the topic aswell so maybe the title will give people an idea of what I'm talking about...maybe?

I'm probably not your best help, but I'm only here to improve myself.

If the chick your had your eyes on was looking like it was a shit day, I'd try to leave her in a better mood then what I found her in. That would be my first goal.

Made up something like, I need to buy a belt for my sister could I get a girls opinion. Here I'd be adding some kino, putting the belt on her etc.

With your problem of leading onto a different topic, if everything is going well and you're having fun with her. (putting the belt on her, make it fun or some shit) things should most likely lead on.

Hope i've helped you out, just try and think out of the square.

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I respect the other guys opinions, but i'd approach it differently.

Obviously you feel comfortable opening with the belt line - so would we all. But my advice would be to immediately switch tack - the belt is an opener. Leave it at that - 'actually while you're helmping me let me get your opinion (INSERT INTERESTING QUESTION).'

Playing with her and the belt is a bit hardcore - get it wrong and uncomfortable moment where you have lassoed a stranger with a belt ensues.

Forget the belt - thats why its called an ulterior motive - because it's not your motive.

Harem x

I agree. Remember that conversations don't have to be linear. You don't have to move the conversation onto anything that logically follows from your opener, you can just be random as long as what you follow with is remotely funny and/or interesting. Also the way you phrase your opener might be better - rather than asking if the belt looks good on you, ask if it makes you look gay, or if it's too retro 80s or whatever, something where there's more of a chance that she can have a stronger opinion on it one way or the other. Remember that, for the most part, when you begin the interaction she probably will be somewhat distant and quiet. You're gonna have to hold 80% of the weight of the conversation for a while until she opens up a bit. Don't get fazed if she doesn't respond incredibly enthusiastically at first, just plow right on, try to get a DHV story in there, and hopefully you'll start getting those IOIs.

Yeah you're right..I didn't actually plan on sticking to the belt line, that would be quite lame.
But I'll try it out next time I'm at a clothing store with an HB working there, or she doesn't even need to work there I could always ask any HB close by.