College experience,

as of last saturday, i encountered some LMR (the first lmr, since ive gotten a girls panties off once total...)

basically i fingered her with her panties on (pulled to the side) 2 saturdays ago, but i didnt lay her because i didn't have condoms and she left because i needed sleep for a water polo tournament the next day.

however saturday i got her alone with me clothes almost off and everything, and i was taking off her panties after some passionate kissing, but she said no. i was sort of shocked but i didn't know what to do. i just went back to making out passionately. But she decided to leave after a couple of minutes after that.

what should i have done? what's going through a girls mind in this instance?

background story, i know this girl for about 2 weeks, she acts like a clinger everytime i call her up, we've made out infront of people. we have good conversation but its probably sexual most of the time. and she thinks im a player. she most likely infered that i was a player because im friends with a lot of older guys on the water polo team that brag but poke fun about me. "hey have you gotten checked yet? (stds)" im only a semi-player, hell i haven't even fucked a girl in college yet, but we had an orgy in our dorm room about a month ago and a bunch of people have heard about that already >.>

the problem is how you ended the first instance, when you didnt lay her. you should have gotten her a drink, or told her somthing sweet, or cuddled, or called her. SOMETHING, ANYTHING to make sure that the next time you pulled off her panties she wouldnt get that LMR, which is jsut caused by the girl wondering "is he using me just for sex/fingering?" which is OBVIOUSLY what she thought, and what stopped her the second time around. you need to be sweet after the first time, that way she feels a connection and thinks its "special" or some shit like that. lol

preperation is the best way around LMR.

although if she gets LMR the first time around, a freeze out is best. but seeing as she didnt get it the first time.. the top paragraph is your answer.

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well lets say i went for her panties the first time, and she said no, what would a freeze out look like?

a freeze out would be you stopping, turning on the lights, ask her if she wants a drink or a sandwich, turn on teh TV. its basically an advanced kino take-away. this will get rid of that girl's LMR (or atleast move it back so u can do mroe without triggering it) this will work nearly every time because you can consider making out and all that a kino stage, and when she shot you down for the next one, you can take away everything.

if that read awkward, im sorry im a little spacey right now lol. if it was confusing in anyway - send me a PM and ill reply as soon as im thinking straight

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Some tips for future fingering to prevent LMR:
1. When you start fingering, dont slip your hand from the front way but INSTEAD go through the back. They rarely can resist it so easily when you put your another hand behind her back and you slipp your hand into her pants and start fingering her from behind.
2. While you finger her, dont stop it when you start opening her buttons from her pants!! The common mistake is that guys stop fingerin which means that you stop produceing the pleasure. FINGER HER FROM THE BACK AND OPEN HER BUTTONS WITH YOUR ANOTHER HAND BY PULLING THE ZIPPER FIRST HALF WAY THROUGH AND THAN GRABBING HER BUTTONS!
3. Few good ways to submit her to have sex is to ask: " do you want me to put a condom " ( while fingering and opening her buttons ) When she says yes ( because she doesent want to get STD or pregnant ) she allows at the same time that you can take her and make love. Another way to do this is just tell her to " take your pants off " when you are fingering her and you have opener her zipper to the half way and her buttons.
4. When you have her pants down and she has agreed to have sex with you ( part 3 ) move your fingering hand from the back to the front inorder to produce more pleasure!

Respect to Vin DiCarlo who invented this

[ Johnny B ]

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If a girl says no, stop right there and then. Some may disagree with me, but in the US at least and I think its the same in some other countries, if a girl says no and you do not stop it is consider rape. I doubt anyone here wants to be charged with rape as in most cases it is a criminal charge with prison time along with having to register as a sex offender in the US at least.

out of curiosity, how long did it take for you to go from starting to seduce her to actually fingering her?
I usually don't just go fingering straight away, do a lil' more kissing, kiss/smell her neck etc, massage her a bit, and so on.
What i've learnt is when you take your time to get her turned on more it'll work better. Don't assume girls are just like guys and get turned on like in a 20 second timeframe. Usually it takes longer.

well the PUA rule involving rape is both her mouth and her body should be saying 'no'. otherwise she still wants it.

you can't be so afraid of laws like that. its practically part of what girls like HAVE to do the first time is say 'no' at some point.

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I agree. But the thing is a lot of these rape laws are in favor of girls. And so in a lot of cases a girl can cry rape after a night of drunk sex with some random dude and get away with it if she thinks she said "no" at any point in time. I am just saying be careful more often than not the cards are stacked against you.

sounds like female hygiene problems to me

the first time it was after like 30 minutes