So I watched a bunch of Adam Lyons' stuff and tried an experiment out last weekend. On Friday, I went to a club with one male friend to just sarge as usual. I did standard cold approaches and also tried out the "mere exposure effect" of opening sets for a few seconds and asking where the other bar was, only to come back later having hopefully gained some social proof to re-engage the set. I didn't really find any difference in success between those sets I opened cold and those I re-engaged. I reached a hook point with three sets, but did not get to comfort or #-close with any.

On Saturday, a female friend and her sister were having a party at their place. I wanted to use this as an opportunity to enlarge my social circle with female friends, who I could then go clubbing with to help raise my social proof (as Adam suggests). I had a great time with the two sisters, who I already know reasonably well and we have a good rapport (lots of dancing and grinding etc. which I thought would help raise my value = preselection at the party).

I opened every set in the party. I got blown out of every female set within a minute or two. I saw one girl who I'd met previously and said hi, and every time I saw her later at the party and attempted a conversation, she was incredibly rude to me for no reason. Not playful/funny rude, but more like like "mind your own business" and walks off in the opposite direction.

Every guy in the party fucking loved me, and I even bothered #-closing some dudes just for the hell of it, but unfortunately THIS IS NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I managed to #-close one girl who only really wanted my number because I said some of us were planning on going clubbing after the party and she thought she might come. I texted her later on in the night to say we were going, and got no response.

My plan was to get at least the two sisters and probably a few guys to come clubbing after so that I could arrive at the club with some social proof. One flaked, so I ended up arriving as a 3-guy, 1-girl set. Tried to open every set I saw to build social proof. Couldn't really re-engage any previously opened set. Every set I tried to open felt just like any cold approach. Got nowhere.

My value was so low that, towards the end of the night, I opened a two HB8-9 set outside just asking for a lighter. One of them actually had the lighter in her hand. I was packing down my roll-up and she was like "uh, do you want this or not" I was like, "yeah just gimme a sec I'm packing this down" totally with a smile, not angry or anything. I finished and I was like, "ok so can I get that" and she held her lit cigarette (instead of giving me the lighter) towards me. Anybody with an ounce of self-respect is not going to accept that when you know she has a lighter. This is a shit test as clear as day. I was like "oh hah very funny, but seriously lemme get the lighter" again, with a smile, not angry, not defensive. She says "well obviously you don't want it" flicks the cig at my feet and walks away. That's fucking rude as shit and she wouldn't have done it if I'd in any way managed to raise my value anywhere near her level.

I feel like I'm trying as hard as I can here. What do I have to do to convey value? I started out with the mystery basics of clothing, posture, confidence, talking slower, DHVing, then I added Adam Lyons' idea of mere exposure, but girls (and only girls, mind you) are still treating me like fucking dirt for no good reason.

edit: One sister deleted a facebook post I put on her wall which just said "thanks for inviting me to your party, I had a great time - what happened to you guys last night at the club?", and the other one isn't responding to my message where I just said "hey I had fun at your party, can I get the number of X and Y cuz I wanna hang out with them again sometime" (X and Y are both guys btw). How the fuck am I supposed to build a social circle if the friends I do have seem embarrassed to know me and won't even reply to my messages?

Hey man, thats rough.
from what you said, you opened lots of sets at a party. It may be that you spread yourself too thin, to quote Bilbo Baggins: "like butter scraped over too much bread". If one set sees the blowout it may have knock on effect. I think savoy has said that if he gets blown out, he hangs around a little longer so he can turn it into an eject by him from an onlookers pov.

It may be the case that you are looking to get social proof at the same point as meeting new people. Social proof is really, really powerful. but the best way is to go somewhere with people you know well (ideally hot friends), that way you can have real fun, be loud and relaxed and people will want to meet you.
"oh whos that group over there having all this fun? i want to have fun"

Do you go sarging with friends? if so, agree with each other that you will give infield and next day feedback, good and bad. you will be surprised what you may find out, just agree that no offense can be taken and it will help improve you and your friends which inturn improve you

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Well, except maybe for the spreading yourself too thin part, it sounds like you did everything right from your perspective. I wonder if you're either obviously trying to hard, or if your sense of humor or delivery is coming off as obnoxious or something. Maybe there isn't enough funny in your cocky/funny...

Thanks for the replies.

I like the idea of sticking around after a blowout - I'll try that next time.

Problem with the social proof thing is this: I realised that most of my friends here are fucking losers and I just don't want to be around them. They are either negative, poorly dressed, drug addicts, and none of them have any proper job prospects or motivation. I've found one guy who has great natural game (the friday I spoke about in my original post, he went home with a girl that night, straight from cold approach to f-close in about 2 hours!) and is positive and good-looking, so I go out with him a lot. Other than that, I'm trying to build up as many female friends from the new law school I just started, and increase my circle and social proof through them. This is why this particular party was so important, and why I was so disappointed when things didn't go my way.

As for the second point, I understand that I might be obnoxious or whatever, I don't know, but what I do know is, guys I meet at parties always seem to really like me and laugh at my jokes, and many girls I know from what I would call "forced" social interactions (i.e. being in class next to someone where they can't just blow you out and walk away) also find me funny. However in cold approaches, and even at this party where, as I said, I thought I had social proof, I seem to find things incredibly difficult. Now it's very odd that it would be something to do with my demeanour or general c+f attitude, because otherwise surely the guys and the other girls would not respond so positively?

As a couple of side issues, I'm finding it hard to enlarge my social circle because I don't know what to say to people I want to be friends with. Yeah sure, we get on well in class or getting lunch or whatever, but I don't really have anything to invite anyone to (as I don't want to introduce them to any of my current friends) so our friendship stays at the "yeah I like them, we get on at school, but I don't see them outside of class" stage, which sucks. As an obvious corollary, this means I also don't have any real day 2 possibilities with a girl I do manage to successfully #-close, because I can't say "hey I'm going to some fun thing with some friends you should come" because the friends I do have are probably in some dingy pub getting drunk and shouting at people! My third (and, I promise, final) point, is that, even when I do have some relatively fun sounding event happening, when I invite people (even those people who I think I have rapport with, who laugh at my jokes and I feel I am on good terms with) they generally decline for whatever reason.

I guess my general question is - how to game *people* in general? How do you hook girls and guys you just want to be friends with, and how do you get them to want to see you again and be interested in you? Apart from the obvious, be funny, confident, intelligent, well dressed, etc. shit that I've heard a million times before?

Just a short time with sticking around, so you can eject gracefully. Also, how are you ejecting from sets? Are you using false time constraints? What opener(s) are you using? How far do you get before the blowout? If you don’t want to answer these questions in an open forum, please PM me.

You said that you just started law school, so I’m assuming that others will have to. When I went to uni I had the mindset of “I don’t know anyone here, and neither does anyone else”. So I doubt you are alone in the boat so to speak.

Increase your social circle by joining a club or team that you enjoy or want to try. Instant social circle! Do not try to game people in the club as if it goes wrong you are back to square one. This is a social circle where you will automatically share a common interest.

Your friend with the natural game: watch him, learn from him.

Jokes: you may need to recalibrate. Guys think that pee and poo is funny, women don’t. You see what I mean?
Women think Jo Brand is funny; I don’t, ever, at all.

Be aware of being incongruent, be who you are, women can smell bullshit so use game according to who you are (eg. don’t use mystery method if its not your normal style), Chief may be able to give more advice on that as he is a walking library of PUA material.

With increasing your social circle, use the idea of the 7 hour rule, if you haven’t built up over 7 hours of comfort with someone (over time, not in one sitting), they will not invest their time in meeting up.

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lol i don't have a social circle .. still i manage to open up and close girls.

point is even if your friends are total losers HANG out with them ..... if you got rejected or whatever you can safely turn back to your friends.
If people see your getting rejected and got no one to turn to - people will notice it and your social value decreases.

ok here's the deal

When a girl insults you like they did, just bite back NEG them.
the girl who threw the sigarette at your feet - you could respond by saying something to her - i would say "' your trying to be santaclause ? nice try !
''well your certainly not going home with anyone tonight . have fun ''

Just don't give a shit 60 % of these girl are searching for a fuck or boyfriend - stop giving a fuck if you succeed or not. if they reject you just make a funny comment and neg them.

if alot people in the venue see you open up sets + they see you getting rejected your social value will go to zero.
I always go out early .. not late in the night . The people who arrive early often go home early - the same with people who are late.

This keeps the crowd fresh and prevent you getting DLV'ed at social proof.
I have 2 venues where i always game
i have 3 venues where i warm up

in the 2 venues where i game i always befriend the bartenders and bouncers this will give you some social proof - especially when you open up a conversation with the bouncer. My friends and alot of hot girls visit this venue , that's why i don't wanna fuck up when visiting this venue.

I warm up at 3 other venues ... low quality girls visit these venues so i can warm up easily and build my social ladder - i often take up 3 or 4 approaches to get warmed up.
I approach HB 4 and 6's and work my way up to 9 and HB 10 when i created enough social proof, Even with my friends in the 2 venues where i seriously game- i always open sets with HB 4 and 6's merge them into my ''social circle''

after a while they are merged into my ''social circle'' and i go sarge for hotter girls .... if you just walk away from those HB 4 and 6 they can follow you or fuck things up - they can even cock block you while talking to a hot girl.
I never leave people who i befriend alone MERGING GIVES social proof and when everything fails you can still take or practice on that HB6.

1 : don't give a shit when things go sour , just have fun
2: switch venues.. don't hang into 1 venue for several hours this keeps the crowd fresh. ALways hanging around in the same venue will create familiarity with other people - familiarity breeds contempt especially if you fuck up alot of sets.

Get aquinted and comfort in other venues is important - especially when you isolate a girl and switch venues

3. visit a variety of people in ceratin venues.. some venues are only visited my milfs, some only by 16 and 18 year olds, some by rock - gothic - emo types.
those subcultures each have a different lifestyle.. Explore them.... the joke you made at the milf maybe doesn't work at the 18 year old because she is dumb.
IN OTHER WORDS GET mentally congruent with different lifestyles - socially calibrate in each venue and each social group.

It's all inner game ... the sets you fucked up aren't fucked up
THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE ... you can't have less then zero - you only gain by gaming woman ! every approach even if you fuck up is a good one, you will still learn. Just don't act like you are only there to open sets and game people ... you are telegraphing in certain venues , just go out with a '' i have fun '' mindset and don't overdo it.

im not the best nor am i good - i let the girls i fucked decide about that.
what i can sense is when im going to fuck up ... i can sense when a conversation or approach goes sour - even a minute before it goes sour, i even let some approaches go sour and i reject the girl - with the hope she chases me.
I mean what is better social proof for other girls ? girls chasing you !

What i do is rejecting the girls and guys before i get rejected , if i get rejected i make fun out of it and sniper neg the girl in a cocky way.
Just don't get DLV'ed before you get DLV'éd

what is important? : ''to NOT LOOK NEEDY'' .... if you fuck up a approach and exit the set safely'without conveying your sarging for girls you can game the set another day.
If you fuck up a approach and LOOK NEEDY ..... the chance you can game that set ( or girl ) another day is slim.

YOU don't chase people in venues .. THEY Chase you !
imagine this:

you are standing on the city square and a guy is feeding pigeons ... pigeons chasing the food and guy like crazy. they even would pick the seeds out of his asshole....

Who do you want to be? the guy ? or the pigeon ?
Do you want to eat someones shit or do you give someone shit ?
Do you take shit or do you don't give a shit ?

if i open up a set i feed them and withdraw them so they chase me , i let them eat from my ass.

that's a strategy.....

if you hang for with a girl for a extended period and you can't isolate her or K close her or whatever ... just leave without saying goodbye
Most chumps hang out for several hours and there game is decreasing.. and the girl won't budge - it's hard to make jokes for 5 hours and girls will sense when your control over her slips away.

when you decide to switch venues to game other girls because the one you are gaming didn't budge then dont tell her , If you wanna go home just leave - don't go to her and ask if she leaves or that you leaves - it will seem like your asking permission.
the girl will probably ask '' why ?'', you don't want to get that question - just be sure she haves your number or you got her and leave.
A GIRL NOT BUDGING CAN BE A SHIT TEST ... when you start caring you failed thats why i always tell everyone to not give a shit, i think the motto of the brand nike is wrong

its :

don't ask .. just do it

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