alright, so I know how to look for IOI's and such through kino's etc. But there's this HB9 who really touchy as is (i should emphasize very touchy). So how would someone distinguish a true IOI vs. just a normal thing that she does? Also, to make things more complicated she's within my circle of friends, and I have been recently gaming on her.

i.e. of things that she constantly does:
-always wants a high five (but I always say no, then I high five another one of the girls)
-when there's an opportunity, she'll sit next to me
-when talking to the group, out of the corner of my eye i can see her staring at me, but once i turn my direction to her she looks away
-there are times when me and her just have direct eye contact for like 10 seconds

I say, wait until the time is right (Maybe one or two IOI's in a row, direct eye contact, etc.) or just outright go for it. The time is now!

Okay, 3 things:

1) It sounds like you've got the IOI's, but your not figuring out a way to do anything with them. Have or go to a party and invite her.

2) This is about pushing the limits both socially and sexually. Throwing in a social event (like a party) and making other people like you, will lead to social proofing. And you'll have a great time while your doing it. Also, if you've done your ground work properly, she wants this as bad as you do. Don't be afraid to be the man and lean in for the smooch and don't be afraid to continue along the chain of sexual progression (i.e. hand down pants, oral, sex, all the good stuff).

3) Girls appreciate discretion. So if you make your move, try to isolate her first so that your not going in for anything more than a kiss right in front of everyone. Even with the kiss, some girls will let their bitch shields fly right up because they aren't used to the situation or are not sure how to feel about it.

Whatever the case, get her number if you don't have it. Keep at it, and she'll be yours in no time.

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This is pretty much spot on man. I can cue on the IOIs, but i am not doing anything because she usually hangs out with her group of friends. It's so hard to isolate her because she's such a groupie.

Next, we've known each other (mutually) for a year and a bit now. Im currently in second year uni, and I met her in first year uni, and only saw her occasionally at parties. so I guess i can say i'm not in the FZ yet (but i need to move fast or else i'll be in it soon).

and finally, I personally find it awkward to make a move on her cause she's already within the circle of friends (did i mention she asked for my number in first year?). Plus, one of my friends already tried her ask her out and he utterly failed (imo he was harshed FZ-ed).

So since I've been gaming her, she's been becoming more touchy, and more flirty i guess? For instance, when i visited her dorm room, she hid my shoes so i couldn't leave. But i dunno how to take these IOI's! are they true IOI's? or is she doing this because she just thinks i'm a good friend. That's the main question. Thanks for you input guys!

How about mini isolation? Just get her to turn her back to the group for a second so that you can tell her how amazingly beautiful she looks in that cute top. And whisper to her how you would love to fuck her sideways. (Don't do this if its not your style! But in so many words, convey your attraction for her discreetly.) Then you can do any number of routines for K-closing (the triangle, the kiss question, etc.). Even if it isn't a prolonged make out session, that seals the deal and lets her know your intentions.
How is your social proofing? Are you rolling with a crowd to these events/get tog ethers? (Which, btw, makes you look awesome and makes approaching much easier.) Are you trying to make friends within her circle so that they are actually routing for you to fuck their friend?

Don't let your friends failure discourage you. After all, she asked for your number freshmen year. Remember?
Dude, she hid your shoes. She obviously didn't want you to leave. You are in her dorm, there is a bed right there. Why, oh why, did you not kiss this girl and show her and yourself an amazing time? Don't beat yourself up, but this is about as good as it comes. If it is a friendly exchange, then she wont kiss you but you'll at least know where you stand with her. And, you can also make the decision to stop investing time and effort. This is going to take some growing of the balls my friend. You just have to be a man. Admit what you want and be man enough to find out if its concurrent with what she wants.

Had I been faced with not being able to find my shoes, I might say something like:
"I cant find my shoes. Looks like I'm staying here tonight! Hey you wanna play strip monopoly or naked twister?! Those are my favorites!"
(PROPS TO CRAZY CLOUD FOR NAKED TWISTER LINE)

You never lose with this. You only gain more experience. Good luck to you man. You'll get her!

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woah man how long are you going to take to f-close this girl shes waiting for u man,u can see shes into you all you are doing is letting time slip by,when time slips by feelings change go for her before she finds another guy willing to take the first step

im new at PU, but i would probably wait until next time she goes for a high five then say 'nuh, im pretty fed up of these high five's, i want a kiss instead' be a bit cheeky but have a big grin on your face aswell. if she likes you she'll dive straight in, if not just settle for the high five and you want have lost face in front of your friends either. hope this helps and doesnt seem to newbie lol

I don't know how others feel about this. But I really like that line. If your feeling confident when you say it then I'm sure you'll be in pretty good shape.

Good luck! And tell us what happens

Forget about IOI's. ASSUME attraction. If your in your head looking for IOIs then you wont be present and in the moment. Get outside of your head. If your constantly in your head analyzing then you wont be fun and spontaneous.

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update:

Aight so it was a friday night yesterday (or two nights ago now) and our social group decided to go out. So i peacocked with a scarf since i stood out from everybody else, and all the girls, including the target, were commenting on my scarf and such (She said it was a bit flamboyant, and she started to toy with my scarf...I forgot to say "Hands of the merchandise" ).

On a positive note, I have been getting more touchy with the target and there's seems to be no resistance. So that's definitely a good sign other than that, like the post above me said "Assume attraction, and don't look for IOI's" - so i'm taking an alpha role and being independent. so that's what i have to say so far...it's not much cause i'm busy with school ALSO, i forgot which PUA said it but it goes like this "An attractive girl most likely hangs out with other attractive girls" - So i'm moving my focus to meet her friends cause they're all HB8+!!

On another note not related to IOI's, my friend (roommate) within the social circle is trying to get a LTR with her, but honestly i know he doesn't have a chance with her. Every time he starts talking about her, i freeze him out, and/or i do not provide useful opinion/suggestions. So like, everything's snowballing and the phrase "Bro's before Hoes" is just messing with my head - it's getting to the point where i'm basically AMOGing him 24/7 and i fear it's going to ruin our friendship. any comments on this situation?