have this HB 8 on the go...up until now its been hardcore negging/teasing each other via text and Ive called twice, seen her 3 times...have k-closed once. anyway i was wondering if you guys think that this was going over the top as far as compliments go.....you see i looked back in the past 2 weeks after meeting this gal and realized its all been 'pushing' and not enough pulling. She is as cocky as hell and is clearly into me...up until now ive been giving her seriously mixed messages (joking about her being my sister etc etc)...so i thought f*ck it after 2 weeks after pushing i think its about time i threw in a big 'pull'...i bumped into her at the mall 2 days ago, she was with her friend...had a 3 min chat and then i had to run...i texted her about 3 hrs later and said..'couldnt resist saying but....you looked f*cking hot back there! enjoy work'

The aim was for this to come across in a care free/alpha male style..as if i say what i want, when i want. I have never complimented,ever, so after a 2 week build up of tension im quite sure this went down well and made her night. saw her the next day and she subtley mentioned the text i sent to her, i said 'ah you liked that one hey', she just smiled.

how often do you guys give hardcore compliments like this...it obviously caught her by surprise as its the complete opposite to what my dialog has been in the past 2 weeks. i think its the only straight up compliment ive given her so I didnt see it as SPAM my power or anything like that. this compliment was like a scarce treat that would have surprised and blown her away (given the context, background, and timing associated with it)

thoughts?

never, I've had the most success never being 100% please with a woman.

She ask "how do i look" even if she's the most gorgeous girl i've seen, I tell her "stop being so insecure"

the second I give her a compliment she's running for the hills.

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i agree with you in general...i definitely dont make a habit of it.

a compliment when she's sucked in goes a long way imo, only one though.

If you compliment the right way, you can give a TON of compliments and have it help you in seducing her.

I give sexual SOIs in the form of compliments all the time.

Examples:
Rewarding compliance to qualification "I think it's really sexy that you're adventurous."
Shaping "You know what I like about you? You're really open and sensual."
Verbal escalation "God you are so sexy. You have no idea what I want to do to you right now."

People who do Mystery Method generally stay away from this kind of stuff, which is why they don't get laid as much as people who use some of the other methods out there

However, push/pull is emphasized in MM, too. Giving a bunch of compliments and balancing them with negs each time will create some sort of tension that might help.

I assume you only do this once you've already created attraction and you KNOW with out a doubt that she wants in. ?

never assume anything.

I don't see why you have to 'know she wants it' before you say that.

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I start the interaction already assuming the frame that she's attracted and that she wants in.

Dominant frame shapes weaker frame

The reason people assume that she wants it (assuming attraction) is because it puts you in a good mindset overall. If you go in the with the idea "oh, I hope she likes me... maybe I should have worn a different shirt... am I funny enough?" you start to get inside your own head. You'll talk yourself out of things and doubt what you can do before even trying. Going in with the mindset that already likes you makes you more relaxed and natural since there is no reason to "try hard"... she already likes you.

Now as far as compliments go, there is nothing wrong with genuinely appreciating something. However, there is a good time and calibrated limit for this. You don't want to over compliment her and praise her, putting her 'above' yourself on a pedestal. I like what Chief said about shaping and rewarding compliance to qualification. Using a rewards system allows you to compliment her, but you are still in control.

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Because I dont believe one should give a hardcore IOI like that before she gives you IOI's. Saying to a girl (that you've just approached)... 'God you are so sexy, you have no idea what I want to do to you right now'...is hardcore...it is something an AFC would say right off the bat before creating attraction and would make her run for the hills. Hence me asking Chief at what stage he would say this to the girl. (like I said Im assuming you say this once she has already given IOI's and a fairly stable state of rapport has been built. (maybe not even rapport, but at least have a received IOI's from her)
100%. This is what I imagine before every approach.
100% agreed.

It's fine to compliment girls especially after you've already kissed them.

Do you really think she's going to lose all attraction because you validated her appearence?

Someone needs to spend less time on here and more time in the real world.

JS

if shes an HB10 and the first thing you say to her is that she is god dam sexy and that you wana do things to her...then yes.

This is why I asked chief at what point he would say this.

You could always use this line "Its to bad we could never date because we you are beautiful." she will ask why and you can say somthing like the two of you are to much alike or just make somthing up.

as long you can joke a little bit about it it's ok, when i compliment a HB 9 or 10 i always make some sort of complementing subtle joke. Sometimes she doesn't know if you are really serious about the compliment but again who cares as long you make the statement that something is allright it's ok.
if she comes back on it you can always say that it looks good and she needs to stop being so insecure.

1. you can compliment -- > neg
2. but also Neg --- > compliment

option 2 isn't really complimenting, it's more like '' hey it's allright we are all human '' thus you make her even more insecure ( more pushing) it's a way to make up for your neg. alot of systems are designed on push pull but experience tells me it doesn't hurt to do more pulling instead of pushing