Anyone been to one? What are your thoughts on it? I'm debating where I should take one. None of my friends are into this stuff, and we all know how much tougher it is to start something new by yourself vs with others. I'm hoping the infield portion of the bootcamp and the fact that there will be others there who are on the same path will get me over that initial bump in the road.

Anyone care to recommend a bootcamp that doesn't cost 3k like the lovesystem bootcamp? I know AFC adam has one coming up but it's too short of a notice for work.

I think workshops are great, but then again I'm a coach and I run my own, so I'm probably a little biased. I've rarely heard people complain that they didn't get amazing results from the weekend, so they definitely work well. I'm not just talking about mine either.

I know a LOT of people who run workshops and who are quite good at coaching guys, whether privately, or in a group setting. There's a few important questions though.

Where do you live?
How old are you?
What's your price range?
What kind of style are you looking for? (Natural/canned material, day game/night game, direct/indirect, etc)

Send me that info via PM and I can definitely give you some suggestions. If you post that info in here too, then you'll probably have some other coaches that can help you as well!

I think if you've got the money and you really want to improve, go for it.

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Dotty, I think it is very important to determine what you are looking for in general. Nothing is going to give you a quick fix; bootcamps are a great way to get a hand down from the carriage of uncertainty. After the bootcamp it is totally up to you to continue pushing yourself, learning new material, and following the path you want.

For bootcamps, depending on who is teaching, there will be anywhere from a 1:1, 1:2 instructor/student ratio all the way up to 1:7.

If you are looking for longer term more personalized help--in which you work with an instructor according to your schedule, your needs, and at your pace--then you should look into private coaching.

Like I said, the key is to figure out what you are hoping to gain and expect to learn.

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Where do you live? Minnesota
How old are you? 21
What's your price range? < $1500
What kind of style are you looking for? Eventually, I think it'd be best if I could have a mixture of everything. But starting out, I think it would be best to build a strong foundation with canned materials and branch out to natural once I get result. The way I look at it is if you're someone who solely rely on canned material, you're masking who you are, and you can only do that for so long...does that seem right? I think the same holds true regarding direct/indirect. As far as day/night game...I want to do both! I don't want to be restricted to only being able to get a girl during the day or night. Haha, my answer probably didn't help you much with this question.


I guess I've always been a hands-on learner so while reading all these theories are great, I want to see how it applies in the real world. I'm not expecting to go from chump to champ over the weekend but I would like to be able to not only understand the concept, but know how it applies and see it in action. I guess...sort of like drivers ed! You can get as much reading and simulation as you'd like, but when you're actually behind the wheel, it's totally different. But at the same time, it would probably a smart idea to have an instructor in the other seat, right?

I think the thing that sounds the most attractive about bootcamp is the infield portion, where you have other guys/instructor there for support and give feedbacks. I know that once the bootcamp is over, I'll be on my own, but I'm thinking the bootcamp would give me that initial boost of confidence.

Never assume the more expensive the better. I would hang out with local PUAs and learn all you can from them, then when your game hits a plateau then do one. But ask around there are often companies just starting out that will do free or cheap training

Definitely. Just make sure that they are actually knowledgable and experienced guys who can walk the walk, as well as talk the talk; both are important and guys that can only do one or the other make poor teachers.

I know of several reputable forum members, including myself, who run workshops for under $1000. Depending on the experience of the coach, the length and intensity of the course, there is a wide price range and just because they are charging a lot doesn't mean they're the best necessarily.

The one thing that I'll disagree with Jay about though, is that I find a lot of guys who have spent time on their own and with other local guys often develop bad habits or attitudes and are often harder to work with. I do suggest taking a workshop early on, if only so that you get started on the right path and don't need to spend a lot of time trying to fix bad habits that you develop by try to go it alone.

I took a ABCs one with The Asia Playboy. 3 days and 3 nights of intense pickup. It shifted my view of game from a tactical level to more of a beliefs level.

I have friends that have taken Sinn's BCs as well as Mehow's. Actully, one of my wings interns with Mehow.

But, If I were you, look at the companie's products (if they have them) and judge that based upon other companie's products. If their products is just a rehash of MM, dont bother.

If I were to take another BC, I would take an RSD BC. I attended the RSD Free Tour a few weeks back and think there teaching style is a LOT different then other companeis I've worked with. Also, they have TONS of videos of there teaching style.

Here are some free material from RSD to see if you like their natural style.
http://www.rsdnation.com/
http://www.rsdfreetour.com/

BUT! before you go to the BC, i recommend you actully sarge for a litte bit to handle your AA if you have it bad. There are BC guys who can't approach at all during there 3 days and waste all of there money... dont let that be you.

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The problem with hanging out with local PUAs is that....I don't know find them! Also, I'm so new to this stuff, that I wouldn't be able to tell if someone is doing something wrong.

You guys mentioned forums members who does BC, anyone in particular that's in the US? Also, I'm looking for someone who's willing to demonstrate infield. I don't think I want to take a BC if it consist of hours and hours of reading and theories...I can do that myself.

No BC will have reading in it. I can almost guarantee you.
Usually, a BC is 1/2 drills and 1/2 infield. And yes, every BC has demos, but there not that different then any Mehow infield Insider.

If you go on RSD Free Tour when it hits your town, you can find a lot of local guys and 1/2 of them should be good because about 1/2 of the people who showed up for the Free Tour in Chicago when I went already took a RSD BC.

You can also go to a company's forums, like LS, VA, ABCs, and post wing requests there. This forum has a LOT of new guys with no experience reading it. A company's forum has a lot more experience in it because the instructors post and alumnis post.

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Dotty, as both Rye and myself stated above, we do coaching. Zip, Doc, and Chief are three other people on the forums that do coaching (and some have bootcamps).

I recommend any of us...you can find the information to our websites in our signatures. Unless you live near one of us, or are willing to pay for traveling expenses, I don't think you'll be able to find infield coaching for that price. Most of it will be over the phone. Your other option is to wait a while until a bootcamp comes to you. Where do you live?

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I live in Minnesota. I don't mind traveling as long as it's for the whole weekend and not just a couple hours session. I looked at Chief, but his workshop is 'tba' and Doc's workshop seems to focus on inner game. Inner game is not something I want to dwell into right now. Rye is in Canada so that's not possible for me.

Locke, do you offer any in person coaching?

I attended a bootcamp just over 3 years ago, and to be honest it had the opposite effect on me to what it should have.

Rather than boost my confidence it actually destroyed any little confidence that I may have had.

I've never been able to approach girls and probably never will especially as I'm now 40.

At least before I discovered the 'community' and took a bootcamp I would get lucky now and again, but I don't even get lucky anymore!

Since it's given me a totally different perspective on the male/female dynamic it's fucked my head up in such a way
that I feel even more disconnected and alienated from women than ever.

I've been frantically trying to search for ways that may help me overcome this handicap but it's probably fair to say
that if a bootcamp can't do then nothing else will.

This is not to say that a bootcamp is necessarily a bad thing because I know that most people get a lot out of it.

Maybe I left it too late in life, the years of negative experience with women may be just too much to overcome.

first off, who'd you take the bootcamp with? that could make a large difference. real social dynamics is knocked as really bad wherever i look- if you took a bootcamp with them or someone else, you may want to consider that maybe it was just the instructor.

also, it may be that your way of thinking is so completely different from the pua mindsets that you got bumped into some nonfunctional limbo of your afc issues and pua methods that doesn't work at all. if you had previous success, just do what you did then. i mean, don't do it, but you can't just lose what you had.
my advice is to keep learning and try a different instructor. there are different schools of thought/approaches/methods to pickup (as in all areas of life). maybe a different one will resonate with you. if this is important to you, you can't give up on it.

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