Hi everyone, (Sorry if this comes up twice)

Normally I don't go for LSE chicks, but I've run into a 10 that I think has got it pretty badly. When I tried complementing her, she got sarcastic about herself. Even though she makes stacks of money working as a stripper, she spends it as quick as she makes it on her out of control shopping addiction and is always in debt. I've seen her give SOIs to a lot of guys and then when they show interest back she tries to gold-dig them or blows them out. She justified this to me by saying that she was "no good for good guys" and could only attract scumbags.

I wasn't sure what to do about all this, so I LJBFed her and used her to create value for myself so I could hook up with other less LSE chicks. She responded to this by stepping up the SOIs, trying to kino me and deliberately having "accidents" like spilling things on the floor or tripping herself up to see if I'd help her. I ignored the SOIs and didn't help her when she had "accidents". She even started giving me money, which I took but then rejected her. In the end she went to Venezuela to get a boob job (maybe at least partially to impress me) and one of her friends told me she was "completely crushed".

I think the reason she's doing this is because the LSE is making her want to damage herself emotionally and she can acheive this by falling in love with someone that's not interested (maybe fag hags are a bit like this too.)

Now she's back and I want to be FBs with this chick and keep getting my hands on her money. The only way I know of creating attraction in her is rejecting her. As soon as I show interest in her she goes cold i.e. I move towards the "scumbag zone". What do people think of the following ideas:

Talking with her about how other people have stuffed up her life.
Psychoanalysing the bitchy elements in her personality.
Trying to SM her.
Telling her I'll sleep with her if she gives me money.

If anyone's got any other ideas or has had any experiences with chicks like this, please post them.

Thanks

I wouldn't touch that shit with a ten foot pole dude.

I would LJBF her then try to build her SE for a while. When she feels better about herself, then game her.

I think that you are being a bit too High Value for her. She is trying to feel better about herself in the only way she can, physically. I would toss a few IOIs, but only about her personality (to boost her SE). I think that you have taken away enough. Also, don't take money from her, thats just cruel.

~Kurent (with an odd set of morals tonight)

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Dude, I'm just tryng to help and I would agree with these guys. Just ber friends-she needs the support and good company. Care for her and actually show her that you're not like other guys that are after her money, or just out for sex. Show her a good time and have fun with her. I would try increase her self esteem by reward+punishment technique. This works by everytime she says something good about herself, give her a IOI. If she says something bad about herself then send a IOD. This will train her and make her want feel good about herself. Also, don't act impressed about the little shit she does. Remember she's a LSE 10. A LSE only wants to seek validaion and attention to make herself feel good. This is why she goes out and craves all the attention by sending them SOI's. This is for her benefit, not yours. If you get caught up in her game then show her that you're either not impressed, or don't care what she does to convince you that she's not "good for good guys". The reason why she's telling this to you is she doesn't want to hurt you. Don't hurt her back and take her money-this will only make her feel more like shit. I don't advise you to spend money on her but instead make her point out or seek out validation when she's doing a good job. If she does something nice for you or says a complainment; don't take this a IOI (even though it is), just tell her thanks and give her a tease like, "Thanks, but you're flirting wth me [Smile]" SHe'll either laugh or smile because she knows she is then you can reverse the tables but saying, "You'll have to try alittle bit harder to get my affection!" This will make her work for your affection and in every attempt will change her approach to things. Once she completely turned around and you can tell she's feeling good about herself then you can go into comfort stage (C1). Be the man she wants to make her feel better; not worst! By taking her money you're only doing damange to her and her SE. She'll get the sense that all you want is sex from her and that is not being part of PUA. PUA is more than seducing women, it's about attracting them. So I would do these steps:

1) If she gives you a sarcastic response; don't convince her. Act like you don't care about the sacastic response because all she's doing is seeking more validation. She knows that works for her. You can get all the attention in the world but if she doesn't work on herself then she'll won't be happy.

2) Reward her when she says something postive about herself. This will make her happy and feel more glad that you're around. She'll also want to be around you more and thus creating attraction. SHe'll view you as higher value than most men she's been with because you actually show her a good time and also that she's a real person-not some object. Rewarding her by smiling and nodding, using kino or being playful with her. Say if she says, "I fixed my hair today-doesn't it look good?" Instead of negging her, say, "Well at least your hair is better than mine! [smile]" This will get her going and want to be playful with you. If she says, "No, you're hair is cleaner than mine!" This is when you don't reward her by using C&F line, "What do you have lice in your hair I should know about?" She'll laugh at this then turn it into a postive by either saying, "No, I washed it like two times today!" Then reward her by saying, "I could tell because it's shiny in the light!" See what I mean?

What you're doing is doing a REWARD/PUNISHMENT TECHNIQUE by Style or Mystery. Don't make any advancments. Just show her that you're there for her. Also make sure that you give her IOI's just to stay out of LJBF zone. When rewarding her say subtle things *WOMEN ARE SENSITIVE TO SUBTLE CUES*. Say like this, "Wow! You're hair smells nice-what did you do with it? [Smell her hair]." Do kino but not too much because then she'll think you just wnat her body. See she's sensitive and will subconsciously collect any subtle SOI's from you.

Last thing is to use your body language to show interest. Most guys that she runs to at the strip club only show her sexual body language. Show her you like talking to her and like getting to know her. She's use to being treated like a object, so don't! Do the opposite!

Well, I hope this whole thing helped you out man! Peace!

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Honestly, that sounds like more trouble than it's worth. Maintain a LJBF with her and use that to boost your social value. Also, DO NOT touch her money. That can get nasty really fast.

Ask yourself, "how can I leave her better than I found her?"

Ahaha, who originally came up with that?? I heard it 100 times before.

Ross Jeffries, the founder of the community. Haven't you read The Game?

Of course, it's the thing that got me into the game. Hmm, my memory's a skank.

I'm going to actually give you another approach. Some LSE girl said a guy did this to her. I don't know if he's sick or a genius.

You basically break her down completely. Don't compliment or anything. When she does something to irritate you, just tell her, "You know what? I've figured you out." Tell her about all the things she does to try and make herself better: how she uses guys, tries to get validation, etc. Tell her she's a horrible and ugly person inside. You only focus on her from a psychological standpoint. You basically barrage her with accusations and judgments until she breaks down in tears - no flat out insults. At that moment, she becomes incredibly vulnerable and in need of validation. That's when you just go in and kiss her.

When you're attacking, don't give her any pauses to respond or defend herself. You fling them so fast at her, she doesn't have time to think - it'll probably help to yell them, to startle her and throw her off balance. You have to make sure they're all TRUE comments (or at least ones that she believes about herself), otherwise she'll put up a shield.

I swear to God, the LSE who told me this said they ended up having a full-out make out session. No apologies or anything - he just went in and started macking with her. I was seriously scratching my head after hearing that story. It makes sense, though, in a weird way.

She's playing push-pull with you, just as fiercely as you are with her. You've got to push her to the point where she can't just bounce back. You accomplish this by breaking her composure, and then pulling her in with physical affection. It'll be such a big pull that she won't fight it. Make sure to do this when there's no one around; if there's people around, she'll probably react by getting angry and blow up at you (she might blow up at you even when you're alone, but I never said this wasn't a gamble!).

Remember: LSE people often end up getting with people who treat them like crap. In her mind, she's absolutely worthless; just validate her beliefs. Any compliment you pay her makes her feel good, but she doesn't really believe them. They go against her self-perception.

you should listen to Chief

Been there, be careful. The lower you push an LSE, the more they may lash out at you. I saw one kick the shit out of this guy who just kept on going. She decided she'd had enough.

This is a very old post. Don't revive old posts like this that are subjective and based upon a single instance that is no longer applicable.

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