Ok the other night i was with a 3 set and i opened perfectly they were all laughing and i then moved on with just how my day went and what i did, amped it up though was talking to the 2 of her friends (ignoring the target) the target then asked what my name was which i ignored and used the neg "do you do your hair like that all the time, (she replyed yes) ohh well it looks nice anyway"

now i had a smile on my face to make sure i didn't actually offend her she then replied with something that completely stumped me " don't you like it this way, this is my natural way, would you like me to straighten it?"

i need some help, was that an IOI and i also need to know what to say to that i ended up ignoring this and doing an esp test but 5-10mins later she asked me again! i was completely stumped

what does everyone suggest?

thanks.

You have to keep in mind that the number and intensity of the neg that you use on a woman is based on their HB rating. For instance, HB 10's need far more negs than an HB 6 because they are told how amazing they are all the time. If you neg a HB 6 too much, she'll begin to think you're rude and just being mean. Now there are two different ways she could have meant that: either a IOI, as you said, or a disqualification. The answer lies in her tone and body language. The latter is the far more reliable one, especially because I'm sure you would have picked up on a patronizing tone. I'm sure you know what qualifies as an IOI if you successfully opened a group set, but I do have multiple examples if you would like some. From the way you worded the encounter, it seems like she was serious about what you would like. If this is the case, major IOI man! She's already looking for ways to attain your approval, even more so due to the way you opened the set and isolated her. If she does ask you what would look better and wants your approval, there was a kind of routine that I learned from this site (I honestly do not remember who posted this, or else I would give them full credit. If anyone knows, please post). But the core of the routine is to show her what you like and how she can raise her value in your eyes. I'll use the example of hair: Do exactly what you did, "Do you always where your hair like that?" and when she becomes insecure and asks how can she fix it, say " Here, let me show you" and do little movements of her bangs but nothing to mess up her hair and then say something along the lines of "there, now its perfect." This also works for clothing. Hope this helps. Good luck my friend.

Havik

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thanks a lot havik! yeah from memory she turned to face me and was sitting with her legs really far apart.

another question i didn't manage to isolate i don't know what it is im scared of doing that i guess i didn't even get a number close, i got major IOI's though she asked if i had a bf.

so does anyone know anyway of beating this isolation fear i guess approaching and opening is no problem for me. Its like i get all the IOI's from the target but i cant bring myself to isolate them its like a mental block i end up just saying ive got meet my mates and eject

any help would be great

thanks!

Wow that's a good one Havik. If she asked me that question I would of told her to shave her head bald.

Sounds like she was vying for you attention with that hair remark. Good IOI.

So what happened and what did you end up saying?

thanks a lot Antithesis

all i said was that it didn't matter like i avoided it and did a hand reading test, but when she came back to it after that i just said that its hair and you should wear it how you want.

i think thats kinda giving in ae? man now im typing this what i did seems so wrong! i just had a mind blank. After that i continued talking to her friends and she asked if i had a bf and how old i was and what i did, she was actually really boring just asking me questions one after the other. I'm quite scared to isolate and my friends were waiting for me so i just said i had to go

any suggestions would be great!

Thanks

I have the same problem with getting a number close. It's all simply fear of rejection. You obviously have solid game with open, transition, and mid-game, so this last little bit shouldn't be too hard for you to surpass. The best way to do get better at closing is the same way you master opening: get a bunch of material, find the ones that best suit you, and run the material on different women till it becomes natural. Just be confident while doing it. Here's some examples:

When you're about to close, say "I gotta go, but let's see how creative you are" and pull out a pad of paper, pen, and hand it to her. If she doesn't write down her number, say "Wow you're not very creative, huh? Let's try this again" and write
_ _ _-_ _ _-_ _ _ _ on the paper and hand it back to her. This is Mystery's work, not mine. All credit goes to the mPAU himself.

Another good one is "Hey I gotta get going, but I would really like to continue this conversation." If you build good report and have a very interesting conversation going, you'll get a number close no problem. I have no idea who I got this from, but I found a similar close on this site with much more detail.

http://www.seductiontuition.com/harmles ... close.html

And remember, it's all just a game my friend.

Havik

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thanks a lot guys i appreicate the help all of you have been giving me!