I'd like to expound for a moment on a theory I've developed about breaking out of the Friend Zone. I don't have a question, just an idea I'd like some feedback on.

I reject the notion that the FZ is this nigh impossible prison to escape from. I'm not talking about avoiding falling into it; I'm talking about getting out once you've made that mistake. First of all, I think if you fell into the FZ, it's partly because you failed to demonstrate value to her; you failed to peak her interest and get her attention. If you think there are things about you that would interest her, you need to work on showing her those things. Second, you failed at kino escalation. If you're not at least playfully touching her here and there, she's not gonna feel comfortable with you at that level.

This theory is still a work in progress, but you can see where I'm going with this. I admit this theory is a bit self-serving in my case. See, I'm pretty new to the game. I've mostly just been studying the material so far, but the more I read it and watch the videos, the more I learn about the things I've been doing wrong all along. I believe there are interesting things about me that I tend not to show people and if I did, I'd have better luck with women and in social circles in general. I feel like, now that I know what I've failed to do in the past, I can break out of the FZ by starting to fix those mistakes. For example, I think if you demonstrate value to a female friend and show her something interesting about yourself that she didn't know, you CAN become interesting in her eyes and you CAN get out of the FZ. If you've failed to demonstrate social proof, you need to demonstrate value, not just to your female friends, but to ALL your friends and that will generate social proof and raise your value.

Perhaps this is all well understood by the veterans, but I had to find out if I'm right. Do you think one can break out of the FZ prison by demonstrating previously unrevealed value? I'm sure it's a little more complicated than that, but it just makes sense to me to think that you can still peak a woman's interest even after you've fallen into the FZ pit if you jst show her something new and interesting about yourself. I appreciate your thoughts.

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Omeo

U cud do that..... or freeze the bitch out.... lol.... make her question why u dont want to be her friend.

Lower her value so u really dont need to put extra DHV material into the target.

The main 3 problem's in the PUA community

1. AA
2. Kino Escalation
3. No Calibration

Most problems generally fall into one of those 3 areas, like u say lack of kino will put in the FZ, if you are calibrated with the target ur never gunna get SNL's and if u got AA nothing going right for u.

I think the friend zone is such a crap place to be, but like ur method and other methods it can be escaped.

I did a pro BF Destroyer routine b4, that put me straight into the LJBF zone after I managed to get the BF dumped n out the picture, so what did I do, froze her out, ignored her for 2 weeks..

Result - she still chasing me to this day, txting me week in week out seeing if i want to meet her and go out with her and do things with her, I even got her to come out once when I was with my LTR and she still chasing me.....

The problem is that you still perceive the friend zone as a punishment. As if you were banished to the Friend Zone for something you did wrong. The friend zone isn't a punishment, it's a character assessment. A girl looks at you and tries to figure out where to place you in her life, if you don't seem like a potential mate then you must therefore be a friend and therefore be placed in the friend zone.

But women don't just make character assessments once and make them permanent. They are constantly looking at everyone's attributes and assessing where to place them in their lives. Therefore if you were to suddenly change and possesses the necessary attributes(mainly attraction and social proof) of a potential mate, then yes you would no longer be in the friend zone.

The only problem is that if you are so concerned with being in and getting out of the friend zone, you are too attached to the outcome to ever foster the necessary attraction required to get out of the friend zone. To build this attraction you would have to completely change the dynamic of the relationship and risk the possibility of losing her entirely. You would have to do things and act certain ways that are so counter-intuitive to your infatuated mind, that you would most likely dismiss them off hand. And most importantly, you would have to retard all your emotions toward her to a normal level.

So, in summary yes guys can get out of the friend zone, but most of the kind of guys that end of in the friend zone aren't willing or capable of doing so.