Do you use tongue on their first kiss? is this generally a good idea. (i guess u have to read signs from earlier in the night, but i like tongue lol)

also what if they dont use tongue? good/bad? do you ask them if their tongue wants to come out and play?

I think it depends with both of you to which you're most comfortable with.

Why not to use tongue? Is makes the kiss more erotic and creates more emotional connection with women, as they find such a kiss as erotic and you may find out you 're desired.

I suggest not using any tongue until at least the second kiss, unless she does it first, or it's a long really sexual kiss like on the dancefloor or something. I've talked to a lot of girls and kissed a lot of girls and basically every one that I can remember has said that you should definitely not use any tongue on the first kiss unless they do it first. If you DO use tongue on the first kiss, then you can will often find that there isn't a second time unless you're actually dating regularly. Most girls I have used tongue on right away didn't kiss me again, but girls I didn't usually stuck around for more and used tongue on the second kiss before I got a chance. It's kinda like a test to see whether you're gonna be greedy or take your time with her.

wouldn't that only make it harder to f-close them? if you're good enough, could u make them want the tongue on the first kiss? or are u saying, save the tongue for 10 minutes later?

It depends on the situation really, but assuming this is a highly attractive women who isn't too drunk to know what's going on (because why would any self-respecting guy try to take advantage of a girl like that?), I would say that it's to your advantage NOT to use it.

My logic:

The first kiss is not such a big deal as we like to make it out to be. In fact, it is part of comfort building and not seduction. First you kino, then you maybe get a kiss on the face, then a the first kiss can be slow and gentle, yet sensual. But you kind of want to remain a mystery don't you? You don't want to give yourself up so easily. Leave her wanting more... I'm a chef, and this is a big theory in the world of fine dinning, you always leave them wanting one more bite. They say "That was amazing, but I just wish there was one... more... bite..." Same with the first kiss. Make her dig it, but don't go all the way. That should be saved for a later location, during the seduction faze. Now if she goes home with you, and that's where the first kiss goes and you are moving toward the F-close, use tongue but wait a few minutes. Tease a bit first, kissing around and then go in with the tongue.

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By that logic you shouldn't bother with opening her up and making her feel comfortable before you start building sexual tension. This is not magic, you are creating a bond with a person and having a progressive social interaction so you have to go through a series of stages. Now you can speed up those stages and there are even some that you can skip over or breeze through, but there is logic and reason behind why you follow the steps.

If you walk straight up to a girl and ask her if she wants to have sex you are almost definitely gonna be rejected, but if you warm her up and create a connection then your odds go way up because she sees that you are looking for more than purely sex (or in some cases you just fool her into thinking that, but then you're a little morally crooked). Same thing goes with the kiss; if you shove your tongue down her throat right off the bat then she thinks you just want to fuck and that's all, but if you take it slower and don't move too fast then she'll feel more comfortable. Sure it may be slower in the beginning, but it is like a snowball rolling down hill and it speeds up as it goes, but if you try to go fast right off the bat that big snowball just can't get rolling properly and it breaks apart completely.

What do you really want? To try and move fast and most likely ruin your chances, or to take your time and do it right and create a favorable situation?

Yes, but I think you should also mention that one doesn't necessarily have to wait too long for the second kiss.

Sometimes a second date . . . but sometimes a few seconds later . . .

Urg, this is so easy:
Kiss her, no tongues
Pull out literally an inch or two when she starts to get into it and maybe smile a little or something (she will almost definatly kiss you again with tongues).

That slight pull out is a massive turn on, most guys will want the kiss to last as long as possible. That simple pull out after 3-4 seconds will be right when she is most into it, both your emotions at the time will be strong, so she WILL go back in (assuming she wanted the kiss in the first place).