I can get into some really good conversations with women, but i just don't know how to close! any tips...we generally talk about interests common ground stuff, perhaps my whole game plan is wrong...if so then how come I cna apporach women at all?

The Social Artist is the exception to the rule.

You need to talk about things that ordinary guys wouldn't talk about. Take a look at the DoubleYourDating, Magic Bullets or Venusian Arts Handbook to get a firm grasp on these concepts. In terms of closing, what kinds of closes? Number? Kiss? if either, ask for it. "Give me your number and I'll call you some time, but im only promising good conversation" works well.

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Diploma in Clinical Hypnosis -- GHR & NHS

Not all conversations are the same. If you want to close, you need to set up your conversations for that purpose. Simply winging it and just hoping it will end up well usually doesn't work unless you've been at this for a long time.

For now, try to plan "backwards". Instead of thinking of an "open" first, think of how you want to close first.

Example for # close:

The end (Close):

You know you want to number close. So you give yourself three options. 1. # Close by inviting her for a coffee. 2. # Close by inviting her to a party. 3. # Close by inviting her to go to a club with you.

Conversation topic that leads to the close topic:

Now you have three different topics you could bring up. Any conversation could lead into a topic regarding 1. Coffees (Best cafes, new types, caffeine addiction, etc . . ) 2. Parties (Parties you've been to, Type of parties, party games, etc . . ) 3. Clubs (Best clubs you've been to, new clubs, clubs in other countries, etc . . )

Random Chat:

You talk about anything . . . but when you get a chance, you segway into one of the above topics . . .so that you can then segway to the # close. This is much easier than it seems.

Open:

You can open with anything but . . .bonus points for thinking up a motif that will easily lead to your planned topics.

After this "plan" is in your head. . . now you just execute following the correct chronological order. Simple really . . .