seen this girl around, finally got her on msn coz she's a friend of a friend.
I'm not sensing any IOI's, just normal friendly talk. What should i say?

IOI's are hard to pick up when you are talking online....

Things like eye contract, body language, vocal tone etc, the things I consider real IOI need to be witnessed in person.

I think u need to add a level of blatancy to your online game, its harder for a girl to know if u interested unless u frontal about it.

They way I see it, the internet is a conversational proving ground, good for getting used to talking to women, trust me ive fucked plenty of girls after msn conversations but I use a whole different technique to my in person game. I usual stay highly sexually charged in all coversations. Infact I dont talk to girls on msn about anything other than sex lol.

I just see the internet as a way to test the limits and push the boundaries, ur not going to gain much valuble experience without being in the field.

So yeah just start charging the convo with induendo n then meet up with her check for real IOIs

I completely agree with the response, you have to be on the field to really exerience the all IOI thing..
You're online, it requires a different game..

OK, don't expect the IOI's...

The only thing you need to focus on is in keeping the conversation interesting and stimulating... If you have the girl enjoying talking to you, and you can make her start your conversations, etc.. then you will be ready to take it to the next level.

Just remember, keep it funny, interesting, and you'll be good, trust me..

Thanks guys. Real helpful hints there.
Only thing i look for is, if she starts the convo first, continues the convos and replies with more than one sentance

so i've been talking to this girl kinda. She's a hard one. It's like she counters everything i do.
eg. we were talking about music. And i said "this is the first time i've spoken to someone about music who's only into rnb, you've impressed me. Well done" and she'll say.. well that's a bit condescending, it's like i HAVE to impress you?
Everything is in a friendly way and i manage to save myself without looking like an idiot. But she alwways seems to have something to say everytime i try to say something PUA coolness style. wtf do i do. What are some strong advanced shit i can say? lol

Advanced? Are you crazy?

That's the most BASIC, Kindergarten, I-can't-believe-this-is-even-a-PROBLEM answer

you say YES BITCH You DO have to impress me

how the hell do you not have that down? Go back and start studying your PUA and pay a bit less attention to all the flashy lines and techniques


If you WANT a girl you need to demonstrate that SHE must work to get YOUR approval. Not the other way around.


In fact she just SET HERSELF UP to GIVE YOU THE POWER in that conversation. That's a golden opportunity man. Make her qualify herself to you...




of course immediately after telling her its her job to impress me, hearing the word "Condescending" immediately triggers a Jimmy Carr joke in my head...so I'd just say


and don't worry, I'm not being condescending. I'm far too busy thinking about important matters that you just wouldn't understand




It's gonna be hard to dig yourself out of the nice guy hole you're in...because now if you DO act that way...she's immediately gonna notice...well hey, he's acting different now....then you see unauthentic.


to be 100% honest your best bet would be to cut this girl off and move onto another one. If she's a friend of a friend its probably not a possibility. There might be a slight possibility of still hooking up with her but it doesn't seem to me like you're doing it right...which leads to failure...and digging yourself out of a hole is a LOT harder than starting from the surface