Hi all!

This is my first post so first off: great forum, been reading some interesting stuff here

While reading through many of the posts, it became apparent to me that all guys seem to be afraid of getting into "the friend zone" or asking if they were in it because they couldn't be sure. It also seemed that everyone seems to consider the "friend zone" to be this deep pit impossible to get out off.

So here is what I would be curious to know:
1. How do you define the Friend Zone
2. What do you think are the signals which tell you that you are in it or on your way in.
3. Can you get out of it? Yes/no --> why?


So here is how I see things:

1. For a girl, the friend zone is a group of guys which she hangs out with but has no apparent sexual interest in. She probably doesn't think about having sex with them in any serious way. When you ask a girl they would say that they do not feel "attracted" to the people in her friend zone.

2. I think that the signals that tell you that you are in the friend zone with someone are: lack of flirting on her part, not an immense amount of body interaction (touching, hugging etc) And the reason I say that is because anything to do with touching is quite physical so if a girl lets you touch her, hug her, cuddle, spoon, grinds when dancing, etc... she clearly feels good about you touching her and her touching you, which is actually pretty sexual.

3. Can you get out of the friend zone. Well I think yes, and that rather easily because I think that the reason you ended in it in the first place is because you didn't flirt, and because you kept the kino to a minimum etc...
You gotta be a little subtle at first to make her get used to thinking of you in a sexual way and then the normal flirt etc will just follow naturally.

I d be really curious to know what you guys think, because I got the impression that we are more afraid of the friend zone than we need to be.



Hut

In some cases, you can get out.

It all Depends.
It's one of those.


It Depends.
Why are you in the Friend Zone ?
How Long do you have to get out of the zone ?
Why do you want to get out ?

In my experience this getting out usually ends with LTRs
Is that what you want ?


If you just want sex, it's much much easier to just go ahead and get another chick, rather than working your ass off on some "Get Out of Friend Zone"-project.
Seriously.

Possible to get out? -yes
Worth it ? -no.

Get over the chick and move on.
the GOoF-Zone Project sounds like Oneitis to me.

Well I wasn't saying I m in a friend zone.

Regardless though, I agree that if you are in it and decide to get out of it you better be headed for an LTR. You may also be able to turn it into a "friends with benefits" kind of situation though, but I m tempted to say that that depends a lot on the girl as well.

What I m really curious about is to get your answer to the 3 questions I asked above.

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Hut

In my book "Just Friends" means out of bounds. Either because of no-sexual attraction, or because of something else (e.g. she's your friends GF or something, in which case it should be obvious. )

Signals are that you fail at creating sexual attraction (I've found it pretty obvious when you're heading into the Zone; The chick seems interested but not attracted.)

1) When you're not "sexworthy" to the girl. I think the friendzone should be renamed to not-sexworthy-zone. The term "friendszone" seems to be a bit confusing, looks like a lot of guys think it's impossible to fuck a girl if you heven't done it within the first 10 hours or so of knowing her. That kinda answers number 3. I've got countless examples of friends and acquaintances that hooked up, not onlys for LTRs, but also for ONS, after knowing eachother and being friends for years.

As far as number two goes, i think Hutti has got it pretty right. You can perhaps add "oversharing" of personal issues and problems.