So my lecture, once a week, chickened out today, but I've got one week to prepare for it. About 400 people there, but I'm pretty sure she sits in the same spot.

Not outcome oriented, no need her to be my gf or to have sex.

Just want to go talk to her, not screw up and get a chance to see her again to work some game.

Any goth specific tips? And lecture time is taboo for talking, so tips here too.

hey anyone? Something specific to talking to someone when social pressure is against it.

I'm thinking along the lines of,
openers
Direct- "Hey I couldn't help but notice your black nails, are you a goth?"
Situational - "This lecture is pretty boring eh/ Isn't it cold in here?"

Transitions
So you look like this one girl I knew ---> DHV story

I am lost after that, it's a 2 hr lecture, so probably need some material

I'm kinda new to this, but I know a few goths. They're actually pretty normal. The look and culture is an aspect of their personality. It doesn't define who they are.

Don't overthink it. Say hi. Say the same thing you'd say to any other hot student.

Try to sit near her in class. Than just like in grade school, take out a small notepad and and start writing. You can pass it back and forth which will be fun or her. Also gothic chicks can spot fakes a mile away. So don't dye your hair black and start wearing leather pants and shit you can't pull off. They tend to stick with their kind, but if you can make yourself peacock in some fashion, this will help you a lot. In your note, give her some lines out of a cold read routine. If you play this right a # close and day 2 could easily happen. Do not let her gothic style be intimadating. They are just like other HBs only look different. (sometimes even better)

haha, the notebook idea sounds good.

My main problems will be my conversational skills, still tend to ask too many questions.

What do you use to improve your conversations? Cold reads? Routines? DHV stories? tell me some of your commonly used ones.

Ah bugger,

A series of unfortunate events OR
How AA froze me like a Popsicle in a Siberian winter.

I got no excuse cept for my own incompetency in AA.

I went in to the lecture hall early, expecting her not to be there so I can strategically placed myself near where she usually sits, the room was near empty but she was already there and talking to another guy.

They looked like they were talking about some work, so I sat nearby but couldnt find an excuse to get close enough, eventually the guy left and the hall filled up with people.

By now my AA is really high due to the number of people around, a mixed 2 set sat down next to me and I opened them to get some social proof, she was still sitting by herself, I couldn't imagine any openers that would take me 5 seats all the way to talk to her, so I decided to wait till the end. 2 hours.

In my head: I would open her with, "Question?, Are you in a goth rock band?" ---> "Cos the way you look" ---> "Actually, I would kick myself if I didnt say hi, my name is"

At the end, people started drifting out slowly and making a lot of noise, I went over, stood in front of her like a complete tool while she packed her laptop, eventually gave in to AA and left an reborn AFC again.

Pics of hot gothette for epic advice.

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ahaha, I don't think a sneak attack with my crappy phone will generate any good photos.

Anyway I think I just hit another one-itis, 2 weeks and 2 hours squirming in my seat obsessing is really bad for AA.

If someone would be so kind to gimme a complete game plan, I'll follow it until I crash and burn, at least I don't need to think about it then.

Next session in 2 weeks, after this, I'm moving on to the next 1000 girls.

Just walk up and say, "Hey, you caught my attention in class. I think you've got a good vibe. Let's hang out sometime."

What's the worst that's going to happen? She says no?

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Once again, wise words from a master.

I'm totally ashamed of myself for getting into a one-itis so quickly, all that planning for one or two 'special' girls won't work because they are not meant to.

I guess I gotta work on my skills, try not to think too much about it and learn to handle rejection.

"Try to sit near her in class. Than just like in grade school, take out a small notepad and and start writing. You can pass it back and forth which will be fun or her." Thx Sub-zero

This is the best way by far! It works every time.

In continuation of the notepad advice:

The human psyche is quite simple, yet complicated. Even though we get older, what we really tend to miss is the little, childish funny things. The notebook, a bit of hair pulling, stiking your tounge out so as to tease someone, all work. But each has its time and a place.

The notebook is by far the best advice here, makes things creative. And tbh, it cant really be used in any other scenario.

Haha!

Anyway, Its pretty hard to generalize a whole "trend" when the whole basis of the look is to convey that they are unique.

Dont neg harsh. Show a disapproval for insincerity. Do not TRY to impress her.

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Its not the material-----Its the Execution

3 days to go here's my plan

Monday - Self limiting beliefs, Frame, Inner game, watch Ross Jefferies and Juggler.

Tuesday - Write DHV story, create 3 openers, 5 convo topics, learn some c/f routines, comfort routines

Wed - Practice shit tests, grooming, Create NLP lines
Solution to possible obstacles,
- she puts her bag on the seat next to her and sits in the corner
- With friend
- With boyfriend

Thus - Wish me luck. 3s rule and smile like you mean it.

Oh hey I did it. *screams of surprise and shock*
Also I just invented "how to eject and get blown out without moving"
Well it still bombed, but at least I opened her, here's the story

I started planning this, worked hard on it, went through some of juggler's materials, regular game, and some NLP, wrote them out nicely in a coherent way with congruent materials and DHVs wrote them down in a 'cheat sheet' and put it in my pocket. I expected to go at least 20%-50% of the way through before I bombed, so no expectations there.

I go to class, she's sitting in the regular spot now with a Siouxsie Sioux hairstyle. I go sit as close to her as I could a couple of seats away, her bag was in between me and her, but I had a PLAN.

She is sitting with her laptop open and was texting, but I see some hair touching and assume it's an AI. So I open with "Hey what chapter are we at?" then shortly followed by a supposed hook "Hey do you think the lecturer smokes weed before she comes?" "Why" she asks. "Because she's always so high and laughs at her own jokes" Just a tiny smile, no riotious laughter. Ok time for my self-introduction and move nearer to her.

Then I see my classmates walk past looking for a seat, out of natural instinct or fear I call out to them and both of the guys decide to sit next to me. Now I'm stumped, how am I going to game her with a WoWgeek and a Christian Fundamentalist next to me?

5 mins later, she is showing closed body language, legs crossed away from me, body turned away.

Hey I haven't given up yet! I knew people tended to leave the lecture for toilet breaks, so I waited for one and followed her out. On the way back I reopened her. "Hey" I say, she doesn't quite hear me until the 2nd door but turns around later "Should have brought my laptop, it gets kinda boring here" she agrees, but we're already at the seats. Now, her body language is kinda relaxed, but damn, the momentum is all gone now,I give up and tell myself that at least I tried. On my way out I try to EC, but she's focused on packing, my classmates shuffle me out.

Positives: I opened - as mark walbergs character in the departed says "woo fuckin doo da" I reopened - yay?

Negatives - didn't act confident- didn't intiate hand shake -No EC
-didn't introduce myself - every other thing basically.

I practiced, I shaved,combed my hair I put on nice clothes and contact lenses. It doesn't feel like a waste, more like just newbie mistakes. My biggest problem was keeping EC, it is harder than I imagine.

Now I have a couple of choices, leave her alone, or go back next week looking like a potential stalker and finish the game. Anyone wants to take a look at the plan? I got until 6-10% I guess.