So I live in the Bay Area. I have a lot of gay friends who have invited me to gay clubs/bars all the time. I decline because I don't want to get hit on by gay guys! But they always tell me there's always tons of fine looking HBs that go also (you know, "fag hags"). So I ask you all, does anyone have experience sarging in gay venues?? is it the same? different? special openers/routines/etc??

If there is actually a decent number of straight or at least bisexual women (who are not there on a mission to hook up with girls) then gay bars can be awesome places to hang out and pick-up. I love going to them as long as there are straight girls there, which varies depending on the place you go to; some places may have like 2 straight girls with their gay friends and others are up to 50% straight girls that are just trying to have fun in a safe environment away from all the lugheads at the usual bars.

The key to success in a gay bar is losing that attitude of being afraid of being hit on by gay guys. You have a lot of gay friends, so you should be comfortable around gay people and not homophobic - that's a highly attractive quality if you use it right. Being able to hang out with and talk to gay men who possess style and taste demonstrates to women that you're accepted by them and that's you're a cool chill guy, not a muscle-head who is looking to impress people with how much more of a man he is than everyone else.

So if a guy hits on you, take it as a compliment and just let him know you're not interested because you're not gay, or if he keeps on pushing it and saying that you may be curious or something, grab one of your gay friends and play the, "I'm already taken by this hunk here" trick. Works really well and it demonstrates that you're not afraid of your sexuallity and that you have a sense of humour and can be playful. Hell, you can also use it as a tool to help pick up girls! Grab a girl and say, "Oh god, you have to help me, that boy over there won't stop hitting on me! Don't you hate it when that happens?!" Hello amazing opener! Every girl who has been to a straight bar has that happen to her constantly, so now she can identify with you and she's gonna drop her shield and feel a connection with your situation.

Just when she does that, don't suddenly try to move super fast and prove to her that you are just another meat-head, act like a decent guy who is just looking to have fun and if you meet a girl who is open and friendly to you, enjoy it and let them know you're having fun and would like to do so again (get her number) or if she's really enjoying it, see about taking her home. The nice thing about gay bars is that you don't have to try very hard. It isn't like at a straight bar where everyone is trying to hit on the girls and take them home, you can just relax and have a good time and people will welcome your company. I think it's a great place for guys to pick-up if they are decent human beings and don't fall into the over-sexed meat-head category.

Remember, dress well, but not like YOU'RE gay, although if/when the gay guys start hitting on you, that's a good sign and you can totally use it to your advantage. Being complimented on how you look by a gay man with taste is a great sign and lets you know you're doing something right.

awesome advice, thanks man.

yeah actually my roommate is gay so I'm really comfortable around them, I just have to get over the getting hit on and using it to my advantage. That was some excellent advice! I will definitely keep that in mind.

I have noticed when I tell girls that I live with a gay guy that something just clicks in their mind. It's as if they instantly put me into a different category of men and sadly I have yet to recognize how I could use it to benefit my game! I find that I think I have to some how prove to them that I'm as straight as an arrow instead of actually using the effeminate side to make a connection with them. It just hasn't clicked for me I guess.

I was talking with my roommate about PUA stuff and how I get AA sometimes and how I don't have any wings. He offered to be my wing and I said....."that'd be great, too bad I can't return the favor though"....and then he thought...why not?? So he wants me to go with him to open up gay sets for him.....and i thought it might help my AA because I'd def have nothing to lose opening up gay sets. My concern was what to do once my roommate left me alone though...so I'll just have to hope its one of those gay venues that have more than 2 girls!

its an interesting thought, sarging with a gay wing. Or me his wing....what do you think?

Gay wings are great and it works well both ways, you can help him almost as much as he can help you.

As for trying to prove to them that you're straight, you're going about it wrong. Women always want the gay guys, cept those gay guys don't sleep with women. Thus if you show that you're accepted by gay men, yet you're straight, you're giving them the best of both worlds and that's exactly what they want. You don't have to "prove" to them that you're straight, you just physically escalate when opportunities arise and that DOES show them that you're straight. Actions speak louder than words man.

When you're hanging out with girls with gay men around you can usually get away with a lot more because they're often pretty touchy feely. I'll smack a guy's ass and flirt with him a little bit because doing so, again, demonstrates that I'm comfortable with my sexuality and it shows that I AM a flirty and touchy person. That way, when he grabs her boobs, or smacks her ass (as almost always ends up happening when I'm with gay men in a club setting), then I can get away with it as well usually. Key word being usually. As long as you've got the playful vibe going on and they've identified you as being harmless, then you can really push the envelope and once they're comfortable with you smacking their ass or grabbing their breasts, it doesn't take a whole lot to show them that you're sexually interested in them by kissing them when the opportunity arises. They're having fun and turned on and then suddenly you're kissing them and they're like, "Score! He IS straight!"

Why do you think the, "If I weren't gay, you'd SO be mine!" line works? Women aren't put off by gay men, they're open to them and if they turn out to actually like women, then they're all the happier about it.

Thanks Rye Lee. I'll definitely push myself to be more comfortable. Great solid advice, it was all thoughts that have been flying around my head but I couldn't seem to pin them down, so thanks for being able to put them down so eloquently.

The "If I weren't gay, you'd so be mine!" opener was a bit of a shocker to me. I'm new to PU so I haven't tried it yet but I admit it was one I came across, and discarded immediately. Perhaps I'll give it chance though, I think it'll help.

one thing thats different is that her gay friends will be more supportive of her hooking up with you than her girl friends

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