ive been slacking game wise lately because of an over load of work, and some other excuses I wont mention.

Last night though I went out to Chester, I was out for a friends birthday and surrounded by AFC's and a natural or two, all good friends an sound people. I decided early on I was going to drink, but only 4, a balance between Dutch courage and still sober.

After some quick sets to get me in the right head space and to practice the J-girlfriend opener some more on a few 7's. So after learning ALL Chester girls seem to want to burn the photos and not to talk to the Ex, I went on the my first real target of the night, a cute looking girl the I felt was a 9 though you'd argue she was an 8, but she had something you know, like an innocence about her... Idk.

I make my approach, but pause to notice she is with a few old friends of mine, cool right? I go over and ignore her and chat to my friends (Fred and Stan), find out she is just a friend of my friends girlfriend, and has just tagged along for a night out.

Now, I cant open with a can' d opener in front of my friend because there is a good chance they'll clock on to what i'm up to.

So I go in with a neg, which was, "wow green is not your colour" smiling as I speak, she looks at me trying to figure out if i'm kidding or not (it takes 3 seconds for them to laugh) and before she can work out if i'm funny or an ass hole, Fred buts in saying that wasn't nice, while stans girlfriend pulls me aside telling me I should apologise...

Lets just say from here, I lost more value than fort Knox would if they discovered it was all just chocolate in a big golden wrapper

So, are any of you finding it harder and harder to go out with your old friends when you are trying to game? And have any of you got a story about your own palls unknowingly screwing you over.

I just don't go out with any of my friends who aren't into the game when I do game. Problem solved right there. I'm not saying don't cut your friends out of your social circle, just don't have them with you when you're working game unless they support you in it. I've had a few of my friends fuck me up a few times whenever I"ve opened sets in the past and thats why I'm always recluctant to run into a lot of em whenever I'm out on the town. Its also one of those reasons that I need to get out of my hometown and move someplace big like Chicago. Thats just my advice right there. Do you have any wing's where you live? Maybe try going out with them more instead of your friends. When I"m out with friends, its all about them, unless they encourage me to go up to a few girls and chat them up a bit in which I will do so.

Congratulations, your friends are cockblockers. You need to treat them like any other set of obstacles between you and your target, run game against them and don't react to criticism...

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I disagree with both previous posters

first, why are you complaining you couldn`t use canned opener on that girl? canned openers can fail a lot of times, but befriending someone whos a friend of your friend hardly fails, you know?

second, that was a bad neg(really common mistake when you`re starting, we've all been there)
negs have to be playfull, lowering the girl`s value in a PLAYFULL manner, that means, if the girl got offended, you did it wrong and it backfired! your friend didn`t do anything wrong, in fact, he amoged you with reason
if had done it right the girl would react in a positive manner and he wouldnt feel any need to block you, in fact, he`d probably end up leaving you both alone as she would probably turn completely to you

negs are subtle, you also have got to have the feel of the thing, if you`re dealing with a girl thats very playful to you, you will be able to pull this kind of thing off, but you have to remember it also comes to how you deliver it, if you didnt even started talking to her, best advice would be to avoid opening with a neg, or using it very carefully, you`ve got to have social inteligence on this, bro, the game is not a science where you just go there and throw your shots then collect the goods

I also don`t know much about this 3 seconds to laugh after a neg, normally it is kinda instantaneous as the girl get shocked on how you playful mock her(maybe an advanced pua can pull this, but you know, 3 seconds its more than enough time for awkwardness in a social interaction)

now, what you shouldve done was get into their conversation with her normally, being in a seductive playful state, after theres some confort in the interation the neg will be much more easily clicked right

Ill leave you a of Russell Brand that I saw in the videos section, I think it may help on the neg thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F79vH7lIuig <- he interviewing mila jovovich

If you delivered your neg correctly, which it actually sounded like you did, it'll come off as a sarcastic, wise ass remark.

They laughed.

Disregard what your friends think.



I personally would've told her, "Wow that green _______ is a little outlandish.... Now that I actually think about it, *I* think it's sexy!"

Push/pull > neg

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I do not game when I go out with my old pals. Thats a guideline not a rule. If I can do it without people knowing or understanding then fine but normally not. It is painful to let so many good sets go but I do care if my friends think that I am a total idiot or not. So for sarging, I go out alone or with my wing.
Of course your friends will think that you are behaving wierd if you behave in a way that you normally dont. Maybe the neg was too strong, maybe she was right. Maybe it is a good experience for you to game without them noticing, thats the way you get in under the radar. Calibrate to make it feel normal.

Ezo

Brenoporra, your observations are excellent. Right on the money.
I Didn't need to open now that I think about it because she was a friend of a friend. I could have fluff talked, Dhv'd, asked "how does she know my friends" or anything ells...

If I did want to neg, a push pull neg would have been better (as charlie0 suggested).

I really appreciate all of the comments you guys have made though, so I guess I just need more practice. still not to sure if my friends made the situation any easier though.

P.s check out that Russell brand link Brenoporra posted. Check out the body language of the girls. I'm not so sure Brands negs were landing so well...

Not if you tell them that you're making changes in your life and actually do so. Not really changing who you are, but by revealing your true awesome, happy, and ALPHA self 24/7, it won't seem weird at all.

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^ True, the game is not something you flick on and off, after a while you intergrate it into your life, so it won't/ shouldnt come off as a diference in personality.
Though, if it is the first time your friends have seen you in a while "old friends" then they will react diferentlly to you, and in my case, screw me over a little.