For the most part, I've gotten over approach anxiety. Very often I see girls eyeing me strongly and this almost always yields a confident approach and a positive result. In 90% of the cases not only do I feel fine approaching, but feel like I do so successfully - I can segue smoothly into conversation, they seem interested, etc.

From that point I'm totally comfortable negging, DHVing, blah blah blah. Girls are laughing, IOIing, complimenting NON-STOP. Everything seems perfect and right about the interaction.

In fact, I don't even have any problem number closing. I'm getting about 1 out of every 2 times I talk to a girl a don't know (many times I don't even intend to "sarge" them). They give the number willingly and often with an overt sense of enthusiasm. Here's the problem:

I simply can not get a 2nd day. It is only AFTER the number close a few days later that a girl says she has a boyfriend or makes up a transparent excuse not to hang out. Just this week alone I have number closed 4 girls, all of whom have either rejected my offer for a 2nd meeting or have agreed, but stood me up (painful!). It's gotten to the point where halfway through the conversation I'm already deciding the whole thing is pointless, as if I can sense their interest deteriorating.

I'm not sure exactly what the problem is but I have a hunch: I open very strongly, but about 4 minutes into the conversation the excitement and rhythm seem to run out (for both of us). I feel that I am depending on an incredible opening 3 quarters to compensate for a depressingly lacking final quarter - that the girl is giving her number to the exciting and refreshing new man she met in the beginning as opposed to the random unimpressive guy on the street who he is quickly turning out to be. A final note is that most of the opportunities I have to meet girls are on the bus or at the bus-stop going to and from class (college). This usually only allows about 6-7 minutes, many times less.

I try my best to self-assess and learn through trial and error, but this seems to be a trend I can't (easily) beat on my own and is absolutely positively gorilla-raping my confidence.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

If it's mainly day time gaming as you give examples of I would be going for the close a bit earlier whilst you've still got the fire in you. You could try DeAngelo's recommendation of getting there email, as often a cheeky little light hearted email will spark interest in them and will get you a response from which you can build to the point of meeting for a day 2. At the very least just keep up what you're doing, the more interactions you have the more stories you will build and ways you will discover to keep the conversation fun and enjoyable for more then 5 minutes.
- These are just my suggestions though, see what some of the forum vetran's have to say.

You can ask for a number and you will almost always get it but not all "numbers" are the same.

If you have a great convo and then go, "Hey, let's hang out this weekend, give me your number." - not bad . . I'd say 50/50 . . .

If you have a great convo that raises her sexual awareness through fantasy and fun . . .then you link her emotions to real life activities you can share, 99% she's in . . . example:

You chat about great holidays. Nude beaches in Thailand or the Riviera. . . Snowboarding the alps . . . the incredible fun you had those places . . . the incredible food you had there.

"Everyday we'd walk home from snowboarding Les Grande Monte and have these incredible crepes . . . Chocolate, strawberries. Unfucking real! Shit, that reminds me, there's this place on _____ street that does their own crepes. Not like in France but still, right when I walk in, the scent alone reminds me of our winter in Chamonix. . . . You have to try it. . . .hmmmm .. . . Well, this Sunday, I'll call you . . ."

Now when you get her number, you text her within 5 minutes and go, "Crepes on Sunday _______(some pet name)"

Then when you actually call or text prior to the "event", she's already anticipating it . . I have never, ever had a flake with numbers I have set up like this . . .

are you getting any connection with this girls or just entertaining slash gaming them?

all three thanks a lot for the advice. as for kasabi and breno i think you've hit on something. i often feel like im just throwing game at them. nothing rehearsed or canned, but nothing that resembles a connection. im definitely going to use more stories like that! ill let you know what happens!

thanks!