Okay, I´m new into "Game" and got one prob. with HB8.

Before I was a "total pussy", Nice Guy in other words if someone didnt get it. I was interested in one girl and we were chatting pretty much on MSN and sending textmessages to each others.

She kept telling me her secrets etc. and called me once sweetheart and nice guy. Then, I found this site and started researching this stuff. I believe I´m understanding basics of this "Game" now.

I´ve changing radically now. I feel more confident right now and so on.
But now to my issue:

Really dont got a fucking idea if she´s interested in me. I´ve been using some negs on her. Being c&f, did The Cube with her.

I´ve come less needy. I dont sms her if I dont have a good reason, I wait her to sms me. Usually I try to answer shortly and like "I dont care a shit" but with some humor.

We were at the same party couple days back, but shes a "partygirl" and dances with almost everybody. She asked me to dance couple times, I gone and that was it. I did 5 Lies game with her (bet: if she cant lie to me she dances alone at the center of floor. She lost the game but didnt dance because she was a little shy)

Next morning she had send a sms to me. Nothing interesting though...
(She said she is being ashamed about last night. I told her that Im too because I danced with her )

What should I do to get her attracted in me? Or is she already?

And have I got this right: Do not send girl a message like "How are you?", "What have you done today" ???

I have got familiar with M3 seduction model, but I dont think it can be used to this so easily. What kind of technique should be used to this or can anything turn this for my win anymore?

use the kino, if you havent tried yet. increase it, if you have and see how she reacts. the kino is the best part to me... if she's attracted to you, she'll be reactive to your kino. increase it until you feel you can kiss her.

Ok, I´ll try that. So if she doesnt react positively to kino what I try then?

I honestly don't believe shes attracted (in the way you want).

Go with the kino, and check the frame you have set. For any in depth advice your gonna have to give more info.

Shes seems like she's looking for an LTR, but you also make her seem like shes not. If she's looking for an LTR, your best option is different than if she's not.

Now lets get to the messages:

Go ahead and ask her how she is, just make sure its not done to start a conversation. Ask her because you care whether or not shes in a good or bad mood.

Protect her emotions.

If you can do that, and flip the attractions switches you'll be a force to rekon with.

As for the interest part:

There are only six IOI's you ever need to look for:

1. Attention

2. Body direction

3. Proximity

4. Mood

5. Touch(Kino)

6. Re-establishment of attention

Each of these work independently of each other. They are also all relative. That is you want to be getting higher levels than the people she knows. If you have that, you have attraction/interest. You want at least 4 out of the six.

Here's a quick rundown of each:

Body direction:
This is simply how much of her body is pointing towards you. Knees, feet, front of torso, head, especially vulnerable points of the body such as the neck and inside of arms, etc. all of these will show some degree of interest.

Attention:
Just look at how much attention she is giving you, in comparison to those around her. This includes the amount of time spent around you (even if she pauses next to you for a second longer than everyone else). You do not want to be the one in the group with the least attention.

Mood:
The better her mood, and the more willing she is to show her emotions around you, the better. Does she talk about why she is feeling such a way? If she is having a bad day, does she tell you? If she seems bored, tired, angry, these are obviously bad. You’re looking for how much she expresses her mood, and how willing she is to have positive moods around you.

Proximity:
Very easy to spot. You want to have her willing to be as close to you as possible. Sometime this can just be as simple as repeatedly being in the same aisle as you in a store.

Touch:
The more open and at ease she is to your touch, or the more she touches you, the closer you are to your goal.

Re-establishment of attention:
Anytime her or your attention is taken away, note how soon she starts giving you attention again. The sooner you regain her attention, the better off you are. This also needs to be compared to how she reacts to those around her.

Thank you for answering, but I hope you can help me some more! Read up.

I´ll be looking for those. We see everyday at school (now we are having winter vacation which length is 1week).

What kind of information you need?

Here something about the situation:

-We have known each others for 3 years, but got known better this year.
-We have shared friends a lot.
-She is like "a leader" of girls on our class.
-Both 17
-She likes action, she is almost always going everywhere
-If she is sad and I ask "Why´s that" she will tell me.
-She broke up with her last boyfriend about ½ year ago.
-She sometimes told me that she hates men cause they are "players", you know what I mean with that.

Tell me what you need, I dont know what you need so I´m not going to write whole day.

Well it certainly doesn't bode well.

>We have known each others for 3 years, but got known better this year.

It's really hard to pull the trigger after what must have been 3 years of comfort building.


>If she is sad and I ask "Why´s that" she will tell me.
Something, I would expect a girl to tell her best girlfriend

-She sometimes told me that she hates men cause they are "players", you know what I mean with that.

Again something she'd tell her girlfriend.

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You understood this wrong I guess. We saw first time 3 years ago, introduced, no comfort building or anything.

AND

This year I started building comfort.

BUT, DO YOU THINK I SHOULD GIVE UP FOR NOW? Freeze friendship? Wait maybe till summer and try again then, OR FORGOT HER FOR GOOD?

tweeby, you opened my eyes!

World is full of woman, but town we live in is kind of small. Not much to choose from.

Thanks for help!

I have to ask you guys a question:

If woman/girl puts you message like this:
"Its nice to talk with you, you kind of nice. You have funny stories/cases/things/etc", after she have been sharing her secrets and so on.

Did I do wrong, if I started being cool and negging her a bit sometimes a while after message like that?


EDIT: Now she told me "Havent heard a thing about you after friday "

Good I guess?

Answered her something like "Missed already?"

I don't see why you put "forget he for good" on that list

Even if there is no chance for romantic escalation, she can still be a good friend and pivot

Personally I think you missed your window of opportunity

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Yea, your right. When I said "Forget her for good.", I meant the romantic way.

It does sound like you are in the friend zone. But what other have suggested is right. You need to kino test next time you are out with her. Also stop texting if you are interested. Completely cut her off. If you want to know as soon as possible you need to get her on a day2 one on one and kino test. Call her and ask her if she has a sec. to talk. tell her you have to roll in five. give her a quick fun story, if any teasing opportunities, take them. Now before you hang up give her a compliment about her, not her physical appearance but something about her. Such as, youre really funny(or whatever), listen i need to go do such and such and i want you to come with me, hows your schedule tomorrow. if she agrees there is your chance to be one on one with her and kino test. If there has been no kino, start with light touching, arm, waist, naturally as you talk to her. then if thats good, move on to hands, anywhere you are, bounce and hold your hand out, if she takes it then good. and if you can work more game you should be able to kiss her. GL .

Thanks.

Okay, I met her today. Not settled up date, I went to her job just to talk as friend. We were just talking some usual shit, but I noticed one thing, she were almost all the time placing her hair, so I guess that was an IOI.

I froze up, no idea why :s Didnt do any kino. Let her carry on with her job.
I just had NO IDEA what to talk about. I´m fine with "new girls" when I try picking them up, but when I go talk to a girl I´ve known for almost year and which I´m interested in I just freeze. I started TOO MUCH THINKING about "what is good, what is bad".

Little bit later I left she messaged me "I just realized that I havent maked up :s i would have leg it "

Answered: "Hmm. Was wondering that you looked a bit funny."

"Conversation" continued couple messages after that.

So do I now ONLY ANSWER TO HER MESSAGES like "Yeah, I guess so, Yup". Or should I be c&f?

What about irl? What should I be like to her? Should I "avoid" conversations with her and BE ALFA and talk with other girls?