Start with an opener, look for IOIs and and then close? Wouldn't most women hate being kino'd?

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Tell her: Put your number in my cellphone, ill give you call.

Quite simply, I have always had success just asking for it. Certainly, if you want to find tune the logistics of it then yeah, you start with an 'opener,' and ideally you'd like to get a few IOIs or at least the sense that she's having a good time. Typically in the flow of conversation there's something said that warrants a # close attempt.

Mr. Exclusive's strategy has worked for me in the past, but I'm typically not quite as forthright in that I will be a bit more subtle and say something to the extent of, "I have to get back to my friends, but since you've enjoyed my company so immensely why don't you give me your phone number and we can re-connect soon."

It's a little cocky, a bit self-assured and works quite frequently.

Best of luck to you!

Kino will increase rapport and therefore decrease flake numbers. Also easier to escalate and make her feel comfortable with the two of you being physical. Numbers are nothng, you can find them in a phonebook.

Start with an opener - CREATE IOI's through conversation AND KINO.

Clubs/bars are not reality. It's a World of fantasy. You go in and you're no longer John, Mike, or Tom . . . You're "1984", the cocky but dark and disturbed Orwell novel reading playboy. You go in and you're the lead character of a movie. You can do whatever the hell you want to do.

People drink in bars/clubs and lose themselves. Women go to clubs hoping to meet an incredible guy. Girls WANT to see that incredible guy undress them with their eyes. They want to feel sexy. Women do things in clubs/bars that they would NEVER do any where else. . .

Thus, if you keep that crazy confident, lead character of a movie frame, you'll find that bars/clubs are the most "forgiving" places to sarge. If that odd weirdo chick is uncooperative, brush her off like nothing even happened and just move on to the next one to show the next one an incredible time. I call this the, "Rub that shit in her face" - actually, I don't have a name for it. But if I go to a street market and I'm haggling for something and a guy won't budge on a price, I'll just go to the next vendor (even if the first one calls me back). I'll buy the product for the price I wanted from the next vendor then proudly walk back to the first guy to "rub that shit in his face" . . . same thing with girls) What happens is that later on, you can re-open the weirdo girl who got a bit of sting with little or no bitch shield.(If you want to)

In regards to kino . . . you don't just grab her hand. You match up the kino with your conversation. An "Oh My God!" Or "Holy Shit!" is matches up well with a tap on her knee if sitting or her a grab behind her elbow or upper arm. The first one is as simple as that. It shows her that you're a normal person and not some creepy weirdo zombie. It shows her that, "It's OK and cool to touch." After you do the first one, it's like opening a floodgate of kino. Keep her interested through conversation and believe me, she'll kino you.

High fives, palm reading, thumb war, whatever the hell you want. . . just think of the girl as a big target with her vagina as the center. Just work the outer rings and work your way in. I don't claim to be the master at this. . . I know guys who can get girls worked up enough to ask them to "finger them" right on the bar stool or lounge table.

The number is a natural transition from a conversation about a real life event OUTSIDE of the bar. Something like: "Oh My God! Ever been to _____? They have to greatest fucking martinis ever!" (Touch, touch, touch!)

Chick: Blah blah blah . . .

"Oh we're definitely going. You'd love the ______ martini. blah blah . . I'll call you on Friday . . . " (And you just take your phone out. The rest will just flow naturally)

Personally, I'm not a fan of that "Oh I like you and would like to call you so we can hang out" - route . . . it works . . . but it's boooooooooring and it doesn't take advantage of that crazy bar/club energy where it's so easy to get girls charged up . . .

Plenty of other ways to take it but if getting #'s for dates is your goal . . . this is good.

Kino is normal. Most people like it, it builds trust and comfort. Are you sexually attracted when you play with a cat or a dog? No, that is kino for you. Same thing with a girl. It is nothing sexual about it until you get attraction going. Shaking someones hand and touching (not feeling her intimate parts) is a way of saying, hey I am comfortable to be close to you, I let you into my world.

As for how to get the number...
Wow, we have so much to talk about, I would not have thought so when I first saw you. We should hang out some time. (Fluff a bit.) So Im gonna go hiking/skiing/drinking/to the zoo, whatever you talked about... tomorrow. You should tag along.
I'll send you a text later... Put it down, you know how to use one of these right? (Hand her the phone.)

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Thanks guys, I really appreciate your support! I will reread your posts!

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well, a good way to get a girls number is just asking her for it

you shouldnt aim for the phone number, it means absolutely nothing even if your first encounter was good this doesnt mean at all that she'll keep it going, wanting her to be your girlfriend, making it happen little by little thats the most important, so when you knows both you and her get the feeling that you don't want to lose this atraction you just say that you both should hang out, she'll agree you get her number, try to set a date right away...aiming for the phone is good for shit

Kino is easy.....break with a high five, and a spin if you want
Link arms, move if possible and remember to engage the whole set
next a hug, build tension with her friends...maybe hug them
then you can kiss close after a bit more communication, and or get her number.
I usually tell a girl to give me her number, and feel out a reason, "because your mean and i need to check your being nice to people" etc etc etc... I when they give me their number i get distracted, miss hear it...eventually i say give me your phone and ill put mine in you can then ring me and ill have yours....validated number! bingo!
It sounds like it shouldnt but it does work. .