So I'm gonna go sarging tomorrow. My only wonder is, most people here seem like they use indirect game fluently.

Has anyone gotten a cold-pick-up with direct game and how? Which one is better for (Misc. Scenario)

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i have. it was on the thirteenth, and i really like this girl. however, it might just be due to my inexperience... but i like her for a number of reasons

anyways, i was in an outside mall. i was just getting some shopping done, and i was walking home when i spotted her through a window. good thing i decided to take that route, or else i never wouldve met her, we instantly felt something - ive never felt it before, so i cant really compare it to anything. it was lust or a crush... mightve been love. but by the time i finished making eye contact i had already walked past the door, and started turning a corner when i thought to myself, "oh my god, that was amazing. don't be a pussy. man up." and i didn't want to screw up because this was really different. so, i took a couple deep breaths, walked past the window where she spotted me again, opened up the glass door, and i said,

me: are you single?
her:(giggles, huge smile) yes
me:because, I felt this weird energy between us when I walked by.
her:i could give you my email...

then she rung up a little tiny receipt, wrote it down. and before i knew it, i was walking out the door and onto the street. from when i spotted her to when i got the email close was about 30 seconds. i couldve done a lot more... and shouldve, but i still got a close - and it led to something great.

if i had opened her up indirectly, it would probably go like this

me: hey i like your hair. is it real?
her:yes! of course it is

and so on for like a half hour or something until i manage to close.

Direct tends to be more for day game. The problem with direct in night game is that it conveys too much interest and your intent is known. Many guys have come up and done the same thing. What makes you any different? If you are physically attractive, that doesn't really matter. But if you aren't genetically gifted, this can lead to the bitch shields coming up and the cock blocks coming in. Direct works well in day game because the shields are usually down. It takes a lot of balls to go up and tell a women she is attractive though during the day, immediantly making you stand out. However, remember, don't use her physical appearance as a means to approach but instead say something like, "You have a certain energy about you that I find attractive".

Indirect is used more towards night game because it is harmless and when used with a false time constraint, why would a person reject you? Once you hit the hooking point, you're pretty much golden if you have solid game. However, I have found that indirect openers are kind of weird in day game because it is really random. Many don't ask why if you tell them the reason, but you occasionally get the, "Why are you asking me this?" Inner game has a lot to do with everything though. Master it.

wow roxstar thats an awesome story. What happened when you emailed her im curious

I use direct pretty much all the time. But I'm a lot more "talky" now than I used to be, and I'll just randomly start conversations with people around me, which eventually ends up evolving into a pickup sometimes. So I do indirect completely by accident every once in a while. Which, if you think about it, makes it a "true" indirect opener, because there's no pretense or equivocation in what I'm doing. I'm actually not opening to pick up.

Direct works great in night game, if you're doing it right. Most AFCs actually use INdirect game (usually starting by trying for rapport), and girls do not get hit with direct openers "all the time." question-for-the-ladies-vt34877.html At least, not *good* direct openers. You've got the guys that go Night at the Roxbury on girls, true, but they're in the minority.

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Im all for direct, day or night

If im at a party or somthing and see a hottie i wont try to snake my way into a conversation "your sexy as fu%k" - if i get regected i really dont care because she isn't the only attractive girl in the room and im going to leave with one of them (not allways true but this is the mindset i go out with)

Cant say this will work aswell in a club or somthing (1 year to go) but it works almost everywhere else

thanks ace., well I emailed her that night because I didn't want my charm to wear off.

In the email I ask for her name, number, and I complimented her smile.

She gives them to me, with a little smiley face.

I call her the next day, but she was busy and about to go to a play. So the conversation didn't last long. She said she was going to call me that night, but she didn't.

I wait a couple days to make sure she was actually not going to call, then I send her an email setting up the frame the flakiness isn't good, and if she does it then I won't speak to her. Then I guess this guilts her, and she ended up calling me that night. but then I was busy watching a movie with my family, and my sister from out of town was visiting us. I end up setting a date for Sunday, and said I was going to call her Saturday to make plans. I didn't realize the movie was going to end in 5 minutes, then when it did I felt kind of bad and was saying, "Oh... fu**" And I called her a couple times, but then she didn't answer.

I called her in the morning to see if she wanted to get a coffee, but she didn't answer again. She calls me later that day, and we start talking about what we're going to do, and learning a few things about each other. Then she cancelled the date later that night in a text message... We text each other, and I assert the frame that flakiness is intolerable, and she apologizes and stuff - then we agree to go on a date in the New Year, but only if she saves me a New Years kiss. She agrees.

After a couple days I start email conversations so the flame doesn't die. And it hasn't, it's grown bigger - and more sexual, and wild.

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Not scenario based at all? You kidding? Try going in direct with their friends standing there. Cockblocked. I'm not saying you can't use any of them with success, I'm saying some are better/easier in different situations. Especially during day game with a 2 set or more, if you go in with a direct, how are the others going to react? Seriously. ESPECIALLY if they are older (approached more) and are 9's or 10's and you lack the looks. Girl code and backs turn.

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Yeahhh Direct is definetely a tricky one. You really gotta have balls and maintain your composure while your in the process of doing it. Any small negative things you portray comes back to you such as hesitating, looking away, or stuttering. The girl can easily figure any guy out.
The most direct opener i used goes something like, "Hey I think your kinda cute, so i just wanted to come say hi. I'd regret it if i didn't." Then after that just be like " so what are you up to?." Usually It's better to use a direct opener with a Neg.

I prefer indirect in clubs, direct in the day... if it's just one girl.

Although both could work just fine in normal circumstances, going in directly in a set is suicide.

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you (Knife) 20 ft Two women (pretend they have automatic weapons)

I think this is a pretty good analogy of what would happen. The knife being your direct intent.

Both methods have the same effect if you use them correctly. I use direct way of approaching in day game. In clubs I use both.
Just use the method you are more comfortable with and that suits your stile.

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When you are direct you are the ultimate alpha male -- the ultimate beta male is totally indirect and lets others walk all over him, the middle is the pretender who is confident but puts on a show like an actor to get a girl interested in him and the alpha male is the ultimate man who makes no excuses or apologies for his desires as a man, accepts that a man approaching a woman is 100% natural and charges in with total confidence and takes what he wants.