I met a HB6.5 a few nights ago (read my NYE FR, if you're interested), however, since then, we've talked and I've discovered that either she's a learned PUA or the most phenomenal natural PUA I've ever met.

Right now we're battling for dominance. If this were football, the scores would be very high, and I'd be up by 3 points in the 3rd quarter. I'm leading, but not by much.

I've maintained flawless frame control, and nearly every aspect of my game SO FAR has been spot on.



This girl has made herself from a HB6.5 to a HB10 based soley on her game, and I'm positive I've done the same. It's not even about sex at this point, it's about the purity of the challenge itself. (Like I said, looks-wise, she's about a 6.5, mayyyyybe a 7.5 with beer goggles.)

I can't neg her on her looks because I know for a fact she has a comeback for it. However, I've taken every single opening given to me to slip in my own negs, and not one has been taken poorly. In her mind, she IS a 10.

I know she's interested because the conversations we've had escalate until *I* end them. (And do so in good fashion.)



So my question is this: If we keep going like we're going, will the universe implode?



My serious question: I know I have the determination and the right frame of mind, but I may not have the tools necessary to win this game. It is my most demanding challenge yet, and regardless of the outcome, will be (at least in my mind) the most legendary clash of the titans I've ever experienced.

What wisdom does this forum have to offer me in my most dire hour?

Welcome to what it's "supposed to be like". She may have read something about pickup before, but I highly doubt it; women are bombarded with information on dating all their lives and tend to develop those kind of traits because of it, so I suggest you stop thinking that she's running game on you aside from her naturally being attracted and being herself. So do your thing, be yourself, just use all the knowledge you have to be your best self.

Drop the tricks and routines and whatever other stuff, unless they're things that you enjoy and want to show/do with her. Read my thread here: how-to-know-youre-doing-it-right-vt36088.html it will help explain that more.

Remember it's all about having fun. This is the epitome of what I teach guys, how to excel in this kind of exciting and challenging relationship because this is exactly what you're looking for. How do I know that, cause you sound pumped and that's a good thing. So just enjoy it and be excited, keep her excited. Stop fucking around with negs because you aren't actually battling for dominance, you don't want to knock her down a peg because if you do, you're killing her inside and she's not going to enjoy it. Instead, flirt with her, keep it fun, sexy and make the whole experience an exciting adventure (there's a reason I keep saying those words and that's because that's what romance should be and what every girl craves).

Now I usually don't say stuff like this, but if anyone else tells you to use tricks, berrate her to assert your dominance, play stupid games with her head or anything else like that, then they've never actually had an exciting and passionate connection with a woman and they don't actually love women. They may enjoy fucking women, they may have liked some girls, they may have obsessed over some girls, but they've never actually had a serious passionate connection with a girl or a proper relationship. So if anyone tells you shit like that, they don't know what they're talking about and they're probably basing it off some bullshit they read, or their experience with manipulating girls that they don't actually care about. If you want to see where this adventure leads without being manipulative and fucking with her head just to take advantage of her, then don't listen to them.

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Are playful teasing negs okay? None of the stuff we're talking about is scripted (I think she'd blow right through me). However, the conversation just keeps escalating on an intellectual level.

It really does feel like a battle for dominance though. I'll try to steer clear of that topic (she likes to bring it up) in the future.

It's been a LONG time since I feel like I met someone who can engage me like this. Normally girls are either hit or miss with me. Some don't really want to have anything to do with me, while some do, yet don't feel like they're that much of a challenge.