ok so for a couple of days now Ive been scavanging these forums and get the whole picture for the pua thing

what ive seen myself drawn tois just working on my confidence, voice tonality, body language, and dress

I know arranged sets may work for some but I just don't think its for me

does any1 know of any1 thats had this type of thing work for them? or should I just invest my time and effort now into those things as well?

I have an almost completely natural game, with the slight exception of sometimes sliding in NLP commands and anchors. Natural game is much harder to acquire than structured game if you are coming from a place of low to moderate success with women. Funnily enough, for me, it took a lot more knowledge and information to get to this point than it did for me to use lines and routines such as the Mystery Method.

I recommend reading and watching a lot of material, including a lot of psychology and inner game stuff. I've found a lot of David Deangelo's material really good for this purpose.

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Study the underlying principles of why things work, as Pleth said, the psychology of it. Read books that aren't written by "mPUAs" because they dumb a lot of stuff down for people looking for the quick fix.

I suggest starting with Awaken the Giant Within by Anthony Robbins, Introducing NLP by Joseph O'Connor and John Seymour, if you need work on your social skills then check out How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie and his related works. For a better understanding of female sexuality, I recommend Secrets of Female Sexuality by David Shade and My Secret Garden by Nancy Friday. Another book that helped me out a bit was Why is Sex Fun? by Jared Diamond (it's a really great book on anthropology and why human beings mate and have relationships the way they do).

Different people learn different ways and some people say it's easier to start with a structured method, or canned material and routines. I'm not one of them, I think that requires unlearning a lot of really nasty bad habits. I was never able to make myself use canned material starting out and aside from when I was winging students that used canned stuff, or for shits and giggles, I never have used any. I didn't find any trouble learning this way and I don't think you will either if you're not interested in being fake.

There's a few people in the community that are teach this kind of stuff who I recommend checking out (AFTER you read a few of those books I mentioned!!! You NEED a solid foundation first!!!). Those people are Sean Messenger, Johnny Soporno, Zip, myself and several of the senior members here on the forum who don't "technically" teach, but are still amazingly good at giving advice.

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And being humble as well

But yea, what Rye said. Find out the whys behind the whats.

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Oh, but I DO "technically" teach! Check out the sexy new banner and everything!

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Yea, but that's just for the unfortunate souls that can't afford a proper teacher and have to settle for... well...

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