Hey all
I'm 20, and had sex for the first time this year. It was with my first girlfriend, who I would rate an 8. Seriously, she was ridiculously hot (I think) and should have been way out of my league. We went out for almost four months and had a heap of awesome sex, and it was rad. Anyway, things didn't work out and I've been single again with no hook-ups for the past three months. I was super attached, and am still suffering from one-itis, but trying to move on.

I'd go out after that and try to talk to chicks, because after experiencing the inside of a vagina the inside of my hand just really doesn't compare, but was always too shy to talk to any other girls and if they talked to me I just didn't know what to say. One of my friends, who has no problems with girls, recommended that I read The Game after talking about this with him. This book opened me up to a whole new world, which I plan to exploit as much as I possibly can.

Anyway, I've now read a bit of other stuff and lurked this forum for awhile, and think I'm finally ready to start experimenting with this stuff.

I've met this one girl recently who I wouldn't mind gaming.. she is friends with someone that I had a class in uni with, so I used that as an excuse to go over and get into their group. I've done this three times now, each a week apart out on the town, where she seems to be interested in me. I've tried to not give her too much attention and focus on other members of the group, but I'm yet to get the courage to neg her. It just seems like a silly thing to do..

The part that gets to me though is, I added her on MySpace where I got her MSN and added her on that, where I've made two attempts at talking to her now.. the first time she was very short and showed no interest in me what-so-ever, and the other time she said nothing. What the hell? In person I always catch her sneaking glances at me, she sits so close to me that it's almost pushing me through the wall and she's made an attempt at convincing me to stop my recreational drug use. Surely they are all IOI's?

Should I continue trying to talk to her on MSN, or wait for her to talk to me and if she doesn't pay her very little attention next time I see her out and about?

Also, how much am I going to improve my game with a wing? I know a guy who also just broke up with his girlfriend and is just as frustrated as I am right now, and I think if I gave him The Game and a link to this site he'd probably be up for it.

Thanks!

Oh, another thing.. a girl approached me at a gig last night. She was very drunk, and I was sober due to having to drive home. She was all over me and tried to make out with me after I chatted to her for awhile, but I diverted it to the cheek. I told myself this was because she wasn't good looking enough for me, I'd say she was a 4 or 5 (not ugly, just not hot either), but I fear it could be more to do with me just lacking confidence and still being in love with my ex. Should I have just gone for it?

To go into more detail about my one-itis, I still think about this girl for hours a day and every time I read something I think about using it to eventually get back together with her (and she actually cheated on me, multiple times). She claimed that she broke up with me because I got too clingy and didn't have the morals she originally thought that I had (I probably was too clingy, looking back, but the morals thing I disagree with).

Im heading out tonight I'll write up something for you tomorrow.

Hang in there buddy

You helped me out and I'll try and help you out.
I'm inexperienced so don't take this for something you NEED to do, I might have some tips though.

As you say, it's a bit weird that initially she gave you no interest at all and now she's pushing you through the wall, what is she saying as she pushes you through the wall? Does she talk to you? Does she seem interested while talking to you while you are having physical contact? Does she seem comfortable? Or is she very nervous and twitchy?

Personally I like online game, gives you a bit of time to think about what to say . I never talk too long though unless the conversation is really interesting. But life game is always better. Don't wait for her to talk to you. Men always need to take things to the next level, this shows your alpha and demonstrates higher value.

I don't know much about winging, so I'm not going to help you on that one I'm afraid

Hope that helped mate, if I said something wrong then please correct me, we're all here to learn

Drayah Im not sure making the first mood and super enthusiasm is a DHV the ideal scenario is that you make her want you that you are the object to be won a DHV is a show of skil, talent or any characteristic. Chasing after her is a no no.

Alls not lost....u got the HB in the first place you just need to work on keeping the attraction going. Search this forum for some tips. I would tell your oneitis how you feel..do it in a way that shows some DHV and leave her for a while. Its amazing what a bit of space can do.. dont burn your bridges with her but u need to freeze her out.

You have to work on your confidence. Make yourself believe this....

Every girl is attracted to me! They just dont know it yet

Its MY world and anyone one who joins ME in it should be darn happy

You are putting girls on a pedestal. Girls are NOT attracted to this. I have no sisters but lately since becoming a new PUA I have learned to treat them like your little sisters! Your the boss. Find your way to take the pedestal away from them. Be a MAN. They are ONLY GIRLS.

I use MSN as a practice tool. Dont take it seriously. Use it to game new HBs. Once you number close/meet stop contacting them through MSN. MSN is too impersonal. I am from Ireland so things can be different here.
On MSN its far to easy for a HB to be distracted. Friends signing in and so on. If you have to talk online I find individual mails best. My space Facebook and Email addresses.

You should have F closed that HB. Take all the opportunities you can get.
You will learn from each of them to further your game!

Have fun!

Thanks to everyone who's replied.

Drayah;
It was initially that she was pushing me through the wall, when I was with her in person, and then it's been since then (when I added her on MSN) that she hasn't paid me any attention at all. In person she doesn't seem uncomfortable at all, as I said, she has given off a few things that I perceive to be IOI's, that's what I don't understand. I've tried to talk to her first on MSN twice, as I said before, I'm not sure that doing so again is a good idea (especially since I also added her!)? She is online right now, but I'm resisting the urge to talk to her so as I don't come off as desperate. Is this the right thing to do? And if she continues to not initiate conversation with me online after I've tried twice, should I "punish" her next time I see her by paying her very little attention? I've already tried a bit by giving her friends a lot of attention on their MySpaces, but the problem is her friends aren't exactly good looking, so it may not make her jealous and I don't want one of them to get the wrong idea and it ends up me hurting them.

Lostboy;
My one-itis knows how I feel, after we broke up I think I got even more clingy and desperate than ever. To be honest, she is actually a bitch and has been treating me like utter shit, I'm just so afraid of losing her that I bow down to her and let her treat me like that. That's what I really need to break, I think. As you said, I put girls on a pedestal. How do you break something like this? The confidence thing is probably related to that, too, and I'm sure that she isn't helping it.

I do have a sister though, two years younger than me, and I think treating girls like I do her might actually be a good idea. Don't get me wrong, I love my sister to death, but I certainly won't take any shit from her, haha!

I think you're right about that girl at the gig, I should have ATLEAST made out with her and I'm pretty convinced that I could have F-closed her if I wanted to.. that's something for next time. I did practise body language stuff on her, though, and I neg'ed her pretty hard unintentionally which was just before she tried to kiss me now that I look back on it, so atleast I got something out of the experience.

You have been gamed/PUA'd by this HB. She no longer wants you/cheated on you. This is driving you nuts and your feelings for her increase? You should cut her loose man. I know its very hard.

I was in the same situation a few years back. I fell for this HB we went out for some time. Broke up. I kept trying to get back together. She said something at the time that did not make sense to me. I kept trying and because of this I drove her so far away. I lost all contact.

This is what she said (HB) You are not letting me miss you.

What your doing now aint working. STOP.

Freeze the HB for 1 week. See what happens.

What you got to do is look at the way the HB is treating you. How it is making you feel? Use this to your advantage to further your game.

To take the pedestal away. You should stop treating HBs like they are the only HB in the world!

VENTING:

This is a text conversation we had today.


Her: James was mouthing about me. Classy.
Me: James B*****? That's not like him. How do you know and what was he saying?
Her: He looked right at me, and said to the people he was with speak of the lady and motioned towards me.

A couple of hours pass..

Her: Wow, it's totally nice that you care.
Me: I don't know what to say, am I supposed to apologize for him?
Her: You could have atleast acknowledged it. It's because of what you said that he formed his bias little opinion.
Me: I did reply to your first message, and had nothing to add after the second. I realise what you're saying, but I've already apologized for that a thousand times over and I don't feel that I should have to again. Anyway, I'm having a really good night and I don't want to argue with
you, I thought that we were past that. Have fun and party safe.
Her: Okay, whatever. Don't talk to me anywmore, okay? I think it's better that way.


This is about me apologizing for telling people when she was CHEATING on me. It's funny that you said that she gamed me, because I was thinking that just before. Also, the other day she talked me into buying some stuff off her because she made me believe that she needed money for rent, turns out that she was just selling this on behalf of her ex.. and to top it all off, I just found out that the other week she was making out with someone that I considered to be a good friend. GREAT!

I need to let this fucking bitch go.

Just do it! I know you want to get back at her..make her see what shes missing all and the shit that goes along with it.

The way is see this txt conversation.. Shes hurt/feels less confident because some dude was talking bout her etc. She is trying to build up her confidence again by talking to you. Dont fall for it.

I would not reply to that last txt. Shes WAITING for YOU to say...aw no lets keep talking...your really a great person.. etc.

You have it now. Keep it that way.