we've all been there before. a friend we grew close to started to seem more sexually appealing than first impression and now were too deep in as a friend to do anything about it. well, for what seems like the umpteenth time im there again. theres a girl, i became friends with her, we were quite close, drifted a little became better friends again. here are the important details. she has very low self esteem. mostof the pua material doesnt adress normal girls. i like her for who she is, not what she is. i find her hot but the personality means much more to me. she is NOT your average girl. she loves sick violent freaky humour, she loves weird stuff. well, for some reason, i cant stop thinking about her. maybe its cos i dont get any from anyone else, maybe its cos she really is worth my time, but heres the thing. i cant leave it with her. even if im getting other girls, shes been my ultimate goal since day one of attempting to be a pua. im still an afc, i can pull off a couple of manoeuvres but im no Mystery. i cant tell her i think shes beautiful because shell laugh at me. shes never had a boyfriend and has told me shes not interested in relationships. she never wants to come out because shes incredibly anxious socially, so most of my work isdone over the phone or on msn. well id just like to know any experienced puas thoughts on the matter. ive seen someone suggest the ovtoberman sequence but i dont wanna mess her up cos im not even totaly sure what it does. but please, id love some input. also, im not very good at flirting. so if we can avoid that... and as much as i appreciate all input, try and keep the comments about forgetting her to a minimum. i just cant guys =/

peace out

Shred

Don't even put yourself through the trouble leave her alone immediately, her saying she's not interested in relationships is a cop out

I know a girl just like the one you described she never had a boyfriend, never kissed a boy, doesn't want a relationship, never wants to do anything. She's a complete waste of a women and its not normal.

If your sitting there hoping she going suddenly admit her love for you then you're sadly mistaken.

You either tell her you like her as more than a friend or its never going to happpen.

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agreed, you can only get hurt in this situation, don't believe me promise yourself you will make one definitive move if you get shot down or she says we are just friends be just a friend or leave her alone if not, ideal (but don't get your hopes up).

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Unfortunately, there isn't a lot one can do once in the LJBF zone. You can make yourself seem as a high value male as possible to her. Perhaps you will start to see some IOI's from her then you can start kino escalating, eliciting values, and eventually (only after she shows you clear attraction) you can drop some SOI's. If nothing else, then maybe with the help of some alcohol, you can make something happen.

I think I'm going to start using some NLP patterns on friends who I'd like to bone, let it marinate, and see what happens. I found a couple good ones on RJ's Speed Seduction eBook, and of course the October Man Sequence. Beware before you get into patterns like these, they require a lot of mastery before they can be used effectively.

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i tried freezing her out but she spoke to me and eventually got me to tell her whats up. she said that she thought i fancied her and knew thats why i was doing it. she told me it would definitely have been a no, and if i freeze her out anymore im losing her as a friend. i couldnt do it. so im still friends with her. but it hurts. what exactly does nlp do btw? i kinda understand some of it but it seems like a lot of trouble for nothing. i mean it must take years before you can use it effectively and you can really ruin people with it. why not just stick to real game and stay away from hypnosis. its practically rape if you make them think they want you. how is that fun?

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This girl sounds like a total bitch cocktease which is the last thing any human being needs in their lives.

Having a friendship but constantly wanting to be with her is going to ruin you emotionally. Do you really want to hang out with someone who is going to fuck with your head all the time?

Move on.