Today before work I went for a walk and was determined to Kino a HB or ten. My idea was to just say "excuse me... you're a nice person aren't you?" And after she responds in the positive, I say "give us a hug then!"
I felt sure it would work, but whenever I had the chance, I found my AA making up excuses, such as "she's on her phone... She's with her BF... She's about to cross the road..." Dejected I walked home.

Later at work I was on the tills, so I decided to tell every female customer my age that she was the hottest thing i'd seen all day, and introduce myself as "Remus-head of the trampoline department!".
A few girls giggled, some said thanks, but one particular HB7 went NUTS!
She was so happy, and her mother was all like "aw she's single, it can work!" She kept saying how I was her "new favourite checkout employee" and basically giving loadsa IOIs. I was so surprised I lost my frame, and didn't get her number even though I could have easily. I thought to myself, "no way can this direct business be so easy!" I was later put on a checkout back-to-back with one of my two-itis twins. I was nervous as hell obviously. Freezing hands and a racing pulse aside, I DHVd her by talking about this hot girl I met who could have been her triplet, and then I negged her by telling my next customer what a boring conversationalist she was (and it's true, she's so frigid and boring!). I pulled out my telephone and sent an ellicit text, making sure she saw I was breaking the rules and making her promise to tell nobody. Above all, I kept hitting on customers, hoping for a repeat of the earlier HB7's reaction, but not really getting it.

At the end of the day, I used the "wanna hug?" opener on another colleauge, and it worked a treat. I am confident it will work in the field, and make # closes much easier. Another idea is to literally sweep a girl off her feet whilst hugging her, although I should try this on a few girls who know me first!

Phew! Long as Hell Ass post there!

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Ok, part 2...

Yesterday I was put on a till with the same two-itis girl, facing her this time. For my entire 4 hour shift, I demonstrated social value by getting into conversations with almost every customer about my far-out experiences (trips to New York, nightclubbing with VIPs, driving Supercars etc, etc), directly hitting on female customers and colleagues, and very occasionally negging her on her shy, quiet nature, but otherwise ignoring her.

Results Nil. This Amog who works there kept going over and talking to her, and she kept smiling and giving him IOIs. I could feel the rage slowly building inside of me. She knows how much I like her twin sister but not that I like her aswell, and I really, REALLY Cocked things up in the most ridiculous AFC way with her sister back before I got into the game. As A result she views me with suspicion. All I want is respect, I am determined to get over her. She's not even that hot really. At closing time, she drove off with her BF, leading me to ponder why, despite following the Sarging tactics by the book, I couldn't get a single smile or anything from her.

Is she just really retarded? She gave me her attention ONCE in those four hours, by asking me what time I was leaving. She was so quiet I barely heard her.

Curse that Filthy AMOG.

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ONE ITIS.

It made you needy and desperate, it wrecked your frame, thus it wrecked your inner game, thus it wrecked your chances of success.

Also, if she sees you 'hitting' on the customers with little sucess, you're DLVing not DHVing. You need to be more subtle, get them interested in you without showing that you're hitting on them. Treat the customer as the target, not the twin. Ignore her completely for the time being.

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I'd agree with these comments.

I think you need to tone down the play a bit. Your approach seems to force the situation to quickly. In doing so, you haven't come across as yourself, but as someone who has swallowed the players guide, whole and sideways. This, if nothing is going to cause girls to be suspicious of you (they'll see you as a borderline schizophrenic )

Also, don't get angry - that can give of negative signs, even though you think you are hiding it well. Think about it, when the other guy was talking to her, she responded. Why? Maybe because he was being himself...?

So, back to basics - the guides are there to complement your personality by giving you tips on how to adapt your conversation and mannerisms to situations - not to become someone else.

Exercise for you: If you are on tills, don't hit on every girl you see - be selective. Assess the situation and adapt a subtle approach to complement the situation. Also, the fact that you will have to close fairly quickly will be of advantage, plus if it goes wrong, they won't be able to hang around for long as others may be waiting in line. That way, you can forget about it and move on to another carefully selected target.

(Also - be careful - the boss might not like you hitting on the customers!)

Let me know how that goes!

Laters

"G"

I should rephrase myself here: I didn't hit on EVERY girl, mainly because 99% of customers are old women and the remaining 1% is divided into 50% couples (I feel uncomfortable hitting on a girl with her boyfriend/husband/babypa at arm's length), 30% old men, 19% child shoppers, and 1% Lone wolf babes (LWBs). As it so happens, not a single LWB came to my checkout all evening, but I got the opportunity to say Hi to a lot of female colleagues who know me well, and that did have a subtle effect on my target. That's the thing. I was affecting her, in different ways, all night. I could tell. But she hid it. She hid it because she thinks i'm a creep, due to what happened with me and her sister.

Anyways:, today I was on checkouts again, no sign of either twin. I started off very lethargic, but eventually, I was finding immediate points of interest with every customer, and starting some surprisingly innapropriate conversations with them. (Nothing too lewd, remember that most of them are old enough to be my Grandma ). I opened a couple of colleagues whom i've never spoken to before, negged etc. Most surprising, I had two seperate customers who'm I had hit on last week, returning to my checkout, and there was definately an instant re-connection.

Overall, I feel my game is improving, but I failed to give out any hugs (I still don't know if this is a good idea... It is a way to connect with people you don't normaly talk to though... what do you guys think?) and failed to run any comfort routines on another of my long term targets, although we still chatted for a few minutes. I was gonna do the five lies test on her, maybe try # closing, but I just flaked it and left her to work.

One lesson from all this: Sarging at work=Lots of trouble.

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Ok, if I were you, I'd start out carefully. Avoid the hug thing for now as it would be found as creepy. Remember, there is a time and a place for each action. I don't think the workplace is that place - also customers may also find it uncomfortable.

The twins now probably find you either a bit creepy or annoying, because from what you say, there is a little bit of uncomfortable history with one, and the other has obviously picked up or been told about that and your recent (possibly unsuccessful) activity with her is confirming those rumours.

There's a fine line to neging and giving out mixed signals. You need to think about how it's going to be seen in the targets mind. Being an outsider in this situation, I can tell you that if I was her, I'd be avoiding you because I'm getting confused with your intentions. In the next moment, you're hitting on other girls in front of me and neging me to them - again, right in my face!!

Please understand, I'm not trying to shake your confidence here. That's the last thing I wan't to do, but I do want you to change your approach. You have already admitted that the approach doesn't work, so let's get you back on track.....

Firstly, I'm going to say again to give yourself some space from the twins for a while. Let things calm down before approaching them / her again.

Secondly, use this time to practice a different approach on other girls. Remember, the goal is not to change who you are, but to change your style of approaching girls.

At the moment you are using what I call "sequential shotgunning" which is where you approach girls at random with the same style. You should try "adaptive shotgunning" meaning you assess the situation (ie she's on her own, in a group, she is well dressed, casual, etc) and formulate an approach on girls at random. Shotgunning is best left to night clubs, because there is a great deal of anonyminity - noone really cares if you succeed or not, however, in the workplace your colleagues can openly see what you are doing, and it seems they don't really like it.

One other point to mention - when neging - do it with tact and a hint of humor - and most importantly, do it to the person directly, not indirectly with another person because that can be seen as detrimental. I believe you actually used a neg on the twin with another potential target - that's practically PUA suicide!!

So, can I say to try the following.

1. Give up PUA in the workplace for a while. By your own admission, it's not working and it could potentially get you in trouble with the bosses (hitting on the customers, possible harassment, etc)

2. Go somewhere different, somewhere public with activities (ie club, gym, etc) Make sure the places you select are "disposable" meaning if you stuff up, you can leave them for a while.

3. Adapt your approach to the situation. If you are getting IOI's, within the 3 second rule, notice at least three things about your target and use them to open. This takes time, but believe me, it will help you in the long run.

4. Avoid the needy / greedy approach. Keep the kino to a minimum and make it subtle - avoid asking for hugs - kino is about brief touches and small actions. Learn to readl the signs and more importantly, to give signs back without using a megaphone.

5. Don't force things - if you feel it's not happening or she's looking uncomfortable, don't let her make the excuse to leave - make out you are running late, or whatever and make the excuse to leave.

What I'm ultimately saying is that being a PUA is about being the Alpha Male - the one who leads the rest. You must lead the conversation and control the exit if necessary. Noticing certain things about her and adapting your conversation to suit will make things easier, make her more receptive and keep things flowing. Continue to notice kino signs such as:

1. touching her hair, neck or face
2. touching your arm
3. pushing a drink slightly your way (pointing a straw in a drink your way)
4. crossing her legs, with the crossed leg pointing towards you
5. looking at your lips every so often
6. over-blinking.
7. elevated redness in the cheeks or neck

Those are the biggest signs. Remember, wise man once said "actions speak louder than words"

So, with all that in mind, go forth and pick up!

I would like to know how you get on, so make sure you keep the thread going!

Cheers,

"G"

Thanks for the lengthy reply mrieus, I gave you a positive vote (Wow, I just lowered my own value by saying that! ).

Today, I went on one of my 15 mile walks to keep the weight down. I encountered an unusually high number of HBs almost straight away and, caught by surprise, failed to open any. Eventually, I began building my confidence by asking for the time, and then on whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. Regardless of the reply, i'd say "that was quick! You're a cook aren't you?", followed by "you should cook for me!".
Eventually I created a relatively C&F (my natural style) opener consisting of "Have you seen my pet spider? His name's Bitsy, first name Itsy... ...it's his birthday and I was gonna show him the world's biggest water spout (I know, terribly crude innuendo)... ...Oh there he is! (I wave my hand near her face and then laugh and say "Gotcha!").

And the results? Not terribly impressive. The HBs thinned out as usual and I was left using it on old ladies mostly, who mainly found it very humourous. Some women didn't even stop to give their opinion, others looked at me weird. AA stopped me from opening a good number of HBs.
The best results came from a girl I was following who had on headphones.
I walked past her, slowed down, turned around, put out my hand to signify "stop", and then started mouthing the words "elephant juice" whilst motioning to her to remove the phones. I carried on mouthing the words and she laughed (Thanks to forum member Memento for this one! ), whereupon I asked her name, and she hesitated for only a second. Sounds like nothing special? To a WBAFC like me, getting a random girl's name is already a victory. I could have pressed on with a routine, but I asked for directions instead. Pathetique!

Things at work (Sainsbury's supermarket) are stagnant. I can still escelate attraction procedures relatively quickly when on tills, asking for a customer's sunglasses, negging them on their clothes etc. Although almost all HBs decide the other tills are more enticing than my own.
Customers I have established a basic teasing rapport with are very easy to talk to again and escalate slightly, next time they shop.
Otherwise, the many HBs that work there still give me way too much AA. And the twins? Well the brunette one is on holiday, whilst the blonde one (the one I fucked up with) replied to a basic question of mine the other day with "none of your business". The cheeky little whore. I'm never speaking to her again.
I did meet an old school crush of mine: A Blonde HB 8.5, Bible Basher "No sex before marriage" type. She smiled a dazzling Hollywood smile and came to my till with her mother. I was immediately C&F, got her to turn around (What an Ass she has!), rated her looks as "improved", told her she was blushing, and asked her if she was still such a prude. Her mother thought it was hilarious.

OK, sticking points: opening a girl on a crowded street feels mega weird. Especially when it's all schoolgirls. Advice Pleez?

PS: I have not used the hug opener. I think I realised not just how weird it is, but also that it's much harder to escalate afterwards. And the AMOG who was getting IOIs from my two-itis girl? Well, he keeps looking at me, and he asked a HB whom i'd opinion opened the other day what i'd said to her...

The Game is on! This guy realises where i'm coming from and an unspoken rivalry is forming. The funny thing is, he's obviously a total playa who has a girl in every closet, and I'm a VIRGIN who'se never even held a girl's hand, number closed a girl, succesfully asked any girl out, or had any mistress! And HE feels threatened by me!

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