I've just started sarging at the mall alone, I've been doing college/campus game for awhile.
But then at the mall, it's like a different feeling of AA so I can't even feel comfortable while in the set.

So, these past few days I just set out doing some AA practices.

Today, I approached a girl working retail inside a mall. The whole approach from beginning to end lasted about 5 minutes. I didn't stay in the store long. She was behind the counter. It went like this:

Me: "Hi, how's it going?"

HB: "good."

Me: "i'm actually on my way to visit a friend at church, but I realized I forgot to put on a belt."

HB: "oh we sell some belts over there."

I go take a look, but all the belts are too wide and dont fit through the straps on my pants. I go back and tell her that, and change the topic:

Me: "btw, I couldn't quite put my finger on it earlier, but you look like this girl who went to my old church. and what's funny is that she has a twin sister. but she's like 16 yrs old."

HB: "oh no, i'm an only child."

Me: "Do you go to catholic church?"

HB: "yes"
blahblahblah, forgot what I said after this. but it led to:

Me: so how old are you?

HB: "secret" (bitch shield)

Her co-worker overhears the conversation, comes over and says "You shouldn't ask a girl her age" I'm like "why not" but cant remember what she said after. So what's a good retort to this? Looking-back, I should have said, "we'll I'm 100 years old in earth years. I'm just visiting from mars" or something like that.

But instead, I jumped to another question: "how long you been working here?"

HB: "secret" (bitch shield), and smiles. Then she walks away to hang up some clothes and throws glances at me like I'm some kinda alien. At this point one of her co-workers opens me, but I didn't continue the conversation cus I was actually in a hurry.

I think she realized I was hitting on her and started feeling uncomfortable. but yea, I'm confused on how to get past the bitch shield and reach the hook point?

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You need to not be incongruent - hot girls have heard and seen it all; you need to keep your confidence and your control of the frame. By trying to ask another question after her age (which you knew she wouldn't answer and wouldn't make her attracted or interested) you were SPAM your alpha status and accepting her reality as the dominant one in the interaction.

If you want to get past her bitch shield you have to be genuine and honest and not trying to force things. The Mystery Method's not all that wonderful to begin; it's unnecessarily complex but if you want to use such a complex method you have to follow it correctly - you should only start qualifying after you get IOIs; she wasn't interested enough to give IOIs.

- Chris

Should I have thrown in a neg after she said "secret" ?

I know what you're saying, but give me an example of how I could have handled that differently.

oh man, i'm stupid. When she said "secret"
could that have meant that she wanted me to guess?
I should have guessed anyway huh..

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"Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman" -Aesop Rock

Well, I'd say according to the basics you shouldn't have asked her age...not because it's rude but because it conveys interest. The way the basic formula is supposed to go is Opener - Transition - Normal Convo AKA Build Attraction (including negs and DHV - stories/jokes/tricks) - Close. Seems like you had it going good upto the transition, after that I'm guessing it didn't go too well because she should've started getting into you...asking about you. Maybe after you said the twin sister thing and she said no i'm an only child you should've said something along the lines of. "Oh, well you still look alot like her 16 year old sister" playfully and gone with it from there.

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Not being mean here just direct but you shouldn't be worrying about all this shit - why are you trying to be something your not? Way too man PUAs go through their whole relationships worrying about keeping up an image which isn't their own and constantly calculating every move they make.

Naturally I would have punished her rudeness or non-compliance with non-compliance or a "neg" of my own. Presumably as a pick-up artist you know what traits attract a woman so you should know what traits you are supposed to be conveying in order to appear attractive.

You could have also just walked away - there was no investment in this girl and I don't see any reason you couldn't just walk away. I peronally don't like telling other people what they should have said because I feel like they are asking me to give my personality to them when they can't use their own.

It sounds like instead of thinking and acting the way you naturally would you were wasting more time worrying when the situation occured.

- Chris

what are you talking about? I did walk away.
I just want to know what I did wrong so I can learn from my mistakes.

I'm thinkin, i probably could have turned that around easily but what bothered me at the time was that she walked away and I didn't want to follow her to talk. I felt I'd lost the set at that point.

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"Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman" -Aesop Rock

ahh I understand. I just don't understand this belief people seem to be worrying about their interactions.

You did lose the set but here's what happened:

What you did wrong was you seem to have moved from A2 to A3 before she was ready - you also sound like you were sort of giving the interview style questions of forced convo (maybe you weren't I'm not sure).

What I meant was that you should have just walked away when she said "secret". The long and short of it is you should have just negged her for disrespecting you to show her that you were not going to stand for her shit.

- Chris

ok got it. thanks a lot man, that seems like a pretty accurate overview of what happened.

I need to learn how to think on my feet. It's something I've always been bad at. I wasn't really following MM anyway, but now I guess I'll have to read up some more after seeing that a direct, approach really cant work in these situations.

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"Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman" -Aesop Rock

I don't really see her saying "Secret" as a BS, I mean it could've been her way of being playful or even flirting. No girl really likes to tell her age.

As a sidenote hired guns usually don't have a BS, unless you are blatantly hitting on them, which is usually annying to them, cause you are probably the 10th person that BLATANTLY attempted to hit on her.

You can't reward bitchy behavior either. If she doesn't answer your first question what makes you think she will tell you how long she's worked there? Plus, you can't just go into a store and ask a girl a bunch of questions about herself, lol, it's not like she can run away.

Make it more playful next time.

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yea i keep forgetting to keep it playful.
So I should just neg her instead of going into interviewer mode lol.

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"I use to believe when a girl said she love me, but now I take off, don't look back and keep runnin. A hundred MPH Im hidin my smile but now I find time just for writin it down" -Equipto

"Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman" -Aesop Rock

Make sure you throw in a time constrait to put her more at ease.

Alright, here's an opener that's perfect for hired guns in clothing stores. It's one from my handy dandy notebook so use it wisely.

The Hired Gun Birthday Opener

for this example I'm at Abercrombie

HB: Finding everthing alright? (optional)
PUA: Hey, quick question. Didn't want to stay here long. You get like discounts or something for working here right?
HB: Yes
PUA: Thought so. Becuase here's the problem. My friend works at one of these at a different mall, and her birthday is coming up... she said she just wants a t-shirt or something. But I'm not sure if I should get one from here... since you can practically get anything in here yourself right?
HB: Blah Blah
PUA: Yeah but if I get her something from another store like Hollister [insert competitive store here]... it'd be like a slap in the face! Yeah.... you work at A&F... so put this Hollister shirt on!!
HB: Blah blah

Then snip and stack. As with all openers try to change subjects quickly. But the fact that you're shopping at a high end store for a female friend is a DHV. Obviously don't recite it how I typed it. Just hit the keypoints and say it however feels natural for you. Good luck!

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First of all, diggidoyo, your from edmonton arent u lol

And second, in my opinion that isnt that strong, b/c if u ask her if she gets discounts, she might just think u are trying to mootch off her.

What i do is try and make them laugh.
Go into the girl section, and grab a tiny shirt or dress and approac h a hired gun, hold it in front of you and say,

"do think this dress would make me look fat?"

"do you think i could pull this off?"

have 2, "what do you think, red or blue?"

They will crack up laughing and then start gaming them.

Asking a girl how long she has worked here, or her age is AFC.
You need to ask her things that she isnt asked 40 times a day.

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Never heard of edmonton.

But yes your way would definately work but its more a step towards direct game. And like I said you can change it up to make it more congruent with you.

In my opinion if she thinks I'll be mooching of her by the first line that would be fine since the second line completly destroys that and she feels an emotion for jumping to conclusions. That's now two emotions. And the last phrase, "slap in face!" I say it energetically and with a smile and it usually invokes a laugh. That's at least three different emotions she's had in one small conversation. Wayy better than the mundane "do you have this in large?"

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ok, heres what i think, I think that you are finally starting to put some technique into your aproaches, and even if that one didnt go like you hoped, it was still better than what you had been doing up to now.

heres what i liked, you used a time contraint ( the whole "im on my way to church, but i forgot a belt" thing). although your time contraint could use some work, it is better than no time contraint at all. I also like the whole "you look like this girl's twin" routine you used. It got her talking to you and thats good.

However, as soon as you asked her for whatever reason how old she was, you fucked up cause you went into interview mode. When you went into interview mode, she probably imidiatly knew you were hitting on her and felt unconfortable (remember, hired guns get hit on all day every day). When the other chick came over and said "you never ask a girl her age" you could have siad something like "oh yea, but i only apply that rule to girls who look like they are self consience about their age" (I literaly just though of that, so im not saying thats necesarily a good line). The key here is to be in control. When the co-worker meddled and the target started not wanting to answere, you lost control.

Hired guns have to be nice to you cause its their job. To game them, you have to get them to stop acting like an employee and just be themselfs. All in all, I see improvement. You just need to work on it some more. Hit me up this week and we can go work on some routines.

-Zeus

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