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 Post subject: Building momentum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:06 am 
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People who have time to read what I post on here say I'm not building momentum.

I think I said, last year, that I had trouble even leaving the house or picking what to wear. Got past that.

Then my sticking point was to even walk into a club. Got past that.

Next my sticking point was saying hi or starting a conversation.

I posted on here before that, at a club, a friend had to introduce me to a girl at a club and then I started a conversation with her. Kind of a weak thread starter.

Lately I had to stay in on weekends just to focus on finding a new job and also not having a job was killing my self-esteem.....

Still, I had been doing the newbie mission, kind of half-assedly... Not all at once, in one day, but just saying "hi" at any opportunity throughout my different errands during the day..

I went out tonight with the same friend who, I would consider a wing at this point.... He went up and opened this cute Asian in a schoolgirl outfit.... she was there with her friends and I opened her friend...

I said I was in my mid-30's and I wanted to bang 20-somethings, right? Well, she was in her early 20's and even asked me my age and kind of said she was into talking to me and didn't care, etc, etc...

I can tell you what led the conversation to fizzle.... Need to come back to this tomorrow...

I'm building momentum, though ....


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 Post subject: Re: Building momentum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:00 pm 
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Okay, so here's my question, I guess.

How do you deal with conversations where the girl just wants to talk about politics, sexual orientation, SJW topics?

She seemed nice enough, and I would have sex with her, I guess, if I had the opportunity....

All she really wanted to talk about was polarizing stuff like my views on the election, why I wasn't comfortable with Hillary (I voted for Johnson), etc, etc..

It's funny because I started talking to her just because I found the topic interesting but then I started to get frustrated ....

It seemed like she was kind of just going on and on and probing my point of view endlessly... she did the same thing to my friend and he got pissed at her...

I made an effort to be non-controversial, just to keep the conversation going, and that's what made it hard for me to speak my mind.....

I kind of wished I had just presented my real point of view possible and then seen how she took it ... like

"Well, I think a woman's job is really to be taking care of her man, and then later her husband kids. I think monogamy is important. I couldn't have any kind of lasting relationship with a person of mixed sexual identity because if she isn't 100% heterosexual, it wouldn't be possible to have a relationship that didn't involve affairs. I feel like rights for gays, minorities, and women are important, but I want to know that whoever I elect has white males in mind, first and foremost, because protecting my interests is the most important thing to me. On the other hand, I think Trump's policies on the environment are irresponsible, I think his tax plan wouldn't work. I think Islamic extremism is the number one cause of terrorism and denying that is foolish. As far as immigrants who cross our borders illegally, I would be interested in knowing the cost of paying for social services for them versus the cost of building a wall."

I'm sort of torn between whether I should choose either of these two options:

A) Speak my mind. Be honest. Be polarizing. Risk rejection.

B) Just go with the flow ....

The friend of mine, who was with me, usually chooses choice B and he seems to do pretty well...

He says "Yeah, you just need to pretend you're an idiot for 20 minutes and you're good after that..."


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 Post subject: Re: Building momentum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:13 pm 
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What school of game do you follow?


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 Post subject: Re: Building momentum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:23 pm 
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What school of game do you follow?
Funny you ask...

I'm going back and forth...

On one hand I'm reading "Pimp - The story of my life" by Iceberg Slim... This is actually a really entertaining book. I think alot of it is fiction... but it's about manipulation, con-games, and power struggles between genders... I'm not sure how to take it ... It's not realistic for this day and age... I read Roosh V and was not impressed at all by what he said. Again... all about manipulation.. Julian and Tyler also seem kind of sick in the head... just lie your ass off to get laid... I liked Mystery's approach... seemed mostly honest, just with a little bit of embellishment, but still too focused on the short term goal of getting sex rather than the long-term goal of having a friend whose company you actually enjoy ...

Lately I've been giving consideration to the book "Models" by Mark Manson and a lot of it really speaks to me and really makes sense to me...

In my gut, the approach of being vulnerable actually feels right to me...

Problem with Manson is that he says you actually need to research your ideas in order to have a polarizing conversation.

Lately, I've been so damn busy with my job, my health, and basic errands that I haven't had time to fully understand what's going on in politics...

So, my point of view is basically centrist... My point of view on politics is "I don't know who has all of the answers and I can't claim either party because they both have flaws. I am not informed enough on the issues to make a statement I am 100% sure of... but here's what I think, at least..."

I feel like my point of view isn't really polarizing; its indecisive...

I suppose I could be more bold and firm about centrism... Like "that's it... I'm not swallowing the party line from either side.. sorry.. neither of them won my vote for President, and here's some of my reasons ..."

Or I could be like Slim and say "Bitch, don't muscle me with that con.. I'll put my foot in your ass...."


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 Post subject: Re: Building momentum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:28 pm 
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Ok...that was a can of worms...

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How do you deal with conversations where the girl just wants to talk about politics, sexual orientation, SJW topics?

Simply, if YOU dont want to talk about that stuff...DON'T. Change the topic, say directly you're not into that discussion. Lead. If she still wants to talk politics at the club, find another chick.


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 Post subject: Re: Building momentum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:07 pm 
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Ok...that was a can of worms...

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How do you deal with conversations where the girl just wants to talk about politics, sexual orientation, SJW topics?

Simply, if YOU dont want to talk about that stuff...DON'T. Change the topic, say directly you're not into that discussion. Lead. If she still wants to talk politics at the club, find another chick.
Right.

Okay so let's change the subject here for a second... What kinds of things do you talk about that don't require any research?

Even talking about TV shows, movies, and music takes time and effort unless you stay up on those things.


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 Post subject: Re: Building momentum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:10 pm 
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What do you talk to your friends about?


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 Post subject: Re: Building momentum
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:51 pm 
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What do you talk to your friends about?
With close friends:

People who annoy us. Stupid people. Things that have annoyed or inconvenienced us. How stupid certain people are.... Problem is its all kind of negative...

Sometimes we have funny stories or anecdotes though, or crazy "What if" ideas that are funny...

At work:

How was your weekend? How are you? What do you do? Where do you/did you go to school? Did you grow up here? etc. etc..

I think it's obvious that I want to try to lean toward the conversation that I use with close friends to build intimacy... Unlike work, I won't get fired for saying something controversial... person will just forget about it...


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