I have never been a big fan of loud clubs and bars, namely because no one can hear a damn thing. I have a silver tongue, and a control/resonant voice due to a mixed history in sales and public speaking. I believe these venues neutralize my best asset.

In any event, because of my current location and logistics loud bar/clubs provide the most abundant and consistent opportunities took pick up women. I could use some pointers. The few times I went I tried to start up conversations despite the environmental constrains, and by and large I have not had much success.

Based on my observations:

I am beginning to think that key factor to successes is strong and firm physical contact from the onset, followed by further and rapid escalation.

I am considered trying what I stated above in combination with a "3-strikes" rule: try it on each woman I find attractive until one reciprocates. If I get shut down 3 times at one venue, then go home or switch venues.

This topic has been discussed a million times on the forum already.

I'd say have a read around then start a thread in the reports section of specific scenarios you encounter if you actually want to get good at pulling in clubs.

Stop going to night clubs to have silver-tongued stimulating conversation lol. You wouldn't dance game in a shopping mall, would you? You need to understand that different environments have a different element of calibration and game

Save your silver tongue for a quiet bar or a day-time situation.

Night clubs = Non-verbal game (Eye contact, dancing, facial expressions, getting physical)

There is a thread like this every week, use the search function.

It's amazing how people moan about loud music when going to a NIGHT CLUB

The last time I pulled in a girl home from a nightclub :

I was just dancing and ignoring the girls. I am dressed really well and girls started to dance near me. I made eye contact with a girl and she responded positively and walked right into her face , took her hand, spin her around and got dancing pretty sexually. (I put my knee between her legs and rub the pussy)

At the end of the song I suggested we go outside for fresh air, she intro'd me to her friends to get permission i guess and I was really cool and they accepted me to be with her friend (No talking, just smiles and hand shaking). I then walked in the direction to my home talking about mundane small talk shit, very bronze-tongued conversation

And then happy times when I got to the bedroom.

When in these environments, I like to pretend I'm a lion trying to find a mate. Watch the discovery channel, watch how different and sexually they move when they want to have sex. So do the same in a night club, walk slowly like you're walking through water, make eye contact along the way with some sleazy smiling to convey you''re here to mate and you're not apologetic about it.

Your super salesman and public speaking skills are irrelevant with foreign girls in loud areas, so it just makes sense to focus on the non-verbals...

Surely you have heard that 90% of communication is through body language? This is totally true. Verbal game doesn't get you laid, it's the non-verbals around the verbals that get you laid.

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Haven't been on here much in recent times, so overlooked how often people post the same question.

I went out last night. I have only been getting back into the swing of things the last 2 weeks.

Just stood on the dance floor with a blank expression on face, with an absence of energy (since a I was tired). More or less doing as little dancing as possible. And presto, girls would just come up and dance with me and or I could walk up and pull them from the crowd. Making, groping, etc.

I suppose like many things in the realm of male/female interaction. The more that it looks like you don't give a shit, or are expending much effort, in some cases the more success you will have.

Dragula, what would you say to do, in a bar that is loud and crowded but doesn't have dancing?

Same thing pretty much.

Eye contact, handshake, stay close, play with her fingers. You can still spin her around, maybe chill out on the dancing

Put the tension on her so that she will probably buckle and say 'What is your name?' (If she is interested)

Which is when you can pretend you can not hear and then just lead her outside for 'Fresh air' - Say what you need to say, but keep the tension electric.

I can be talking about hamsters but the way I say and the way i'm looking at her only suggests 'This hamster chat is nothing but camoflauge for him to wanting to fuck me'

Look at her like this


Not like this:

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Indeed. Thanks. The 2nd face would be a friend zone or get the fuck away.

And yet 99% of guys do it when interacting with a girl.

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Yes. It's funny that for online game it's vice versa

As you probably already know.. Our words are pretty much only 20-30 % of what it is we're actually saying, so heres were frame control and physical cues are more important than just just words. The less you can use your ears and mouth the more you'll have to use your eyes and body.

However, You never thought about just approaching these women when they're on their way into the club or as they're on there way out?

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Another thing,
If women's emotions are affected by their surroundings. (It has been said to not have a messy house, dirty bathroom etc when you bring them back.) Why is it that so many 20-somethings like to hit the bar scene in large cities. Here in Chicago I was walking down the street in a bar/entertainment area. Overflowing garbage cans, garbage on the street. Dirt everywhere. Dark, ghetto looking buildings. Shady people. And inside the bars, the bathrooms are fucking worse than gerbil cages. How could a woman like going to places like these?