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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:12 pm 
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So I'm hoping I can get a bit of advice from people far more advanced than myself! Heres the situation

Met a girl on Tinder about 5 weeks ago. Got the first date no problem. I'm a very exciting, high energy guy and I've never had problems with the opener or keeping her attention and she had an amazing time. I turned what she thought would be a 2 hour meeting into a 9 hour date. After this she was totally into it, initiating text conversations and we were both having a great time chatting. We both have relatively busy schedules and were only meeting once a week for dinner or drinks or even a coffee. Going great.

Then on New Years (4 weeks after meeting) I thought I would be a bit direct and sent her a text saying "I would be having a much better time if you were here with me!" (We had both been invited to different parties and after only 3 dates we didn't cancel plans to spend the time together.) She replied "whoa slow down there" But not in a flirty type of way. So I managed to explain it away as me just having too much to drink and doing something "movie cheesy" which she bought.

At this point we are still only seeing each other once a week. I would try to invite her out more often during the week for a quick coffee or lunch and she would decline saying lots to do or university or whatever excuse. But she feels bad because she's always turning me down even though I ask alot. And we would then make plans for the weekend or on a holiday and do something.

Last week we decided on a movie night at her place. I go, bring the wine and everything is going great, clothes coming off then she stops and says not only is she on the rag but that she isn't sure if she wants to have sex with me yet but I'm more than welcome to stay over. This is the first girl that I've spent more than a couple weeks with and I could see this being more than just a hookup so I agree that we can take it slow. I stay overnight (In hindsight this was probably the start of my problems)

So I leave the next day and we chat a little later in the afternoon. I mention that her birthday is coming up and that we should go somewhere (to this really quaint, romantic little village) and she doesn't seem receptive at all so I drop it. Now I suppose the blue balls from the other night clouded my judgement because this is where I think I really fuck it up I think to myself, we've been seeing each other for 5 weeks now maybe I should be more direct... I text her
Me: Let's meet up today. It doesn't have to be another movie night but it would be nice to see you more than once a week ;)
Her: Lol how often would be ideal for you then? :D :D
Me: See I can't answer that right now! Because I only have the experience of once a week. I would recommend we gradually increase the time spent together until we find the ideal balance! You know, collect some empirical data! (Empirical data is an inside joke between us)
Her: Ahahaha very...ambitious of you
Me: What can I say, I'm a scientist first and foremost (another inside joke)

Then no message until later the next day when she comments on how cute a picture of me is. The texting has become a bit shorter and less fun since then despite me trying to keep it lively. I feel like from that exchange I came off way too needy and pushy. At the same time we just made another date (for this weekend) I'm going to her house and we are cooking dinner together. I'm getting some mixed signals now and am thinking I need to step way back. At the same time I know shes getting a ton of other messages from other guys and if I pull away too much she's going to quickly move on.

It's a long one guys, thanks for those who took the time to read and I'm hoping to hear any thoughts and feedback. I do like this girl and can definitely see the relationship going somewhere. I feel like I'm tightrope walking at the moment trying not to fuck up.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:32 pm 
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So I'm hoping I can get a bit of advice from people far more advanced than myself! Heres the situation

Met a girl on Tinder about 5 weeks ago. Got the first date no problem. I'm a very exciting, high energy guy and I've never had problems with the opener or keeping her attention and she had an amazing time. I turned what she thought would be a 2 hour meeting into a 9 hour date. After this she was totally into it, initiating text conversations and we were both having a great time chatting. We both have relatively busy schedules and were only meeting once a week for dinner or drinks or even a coffee. Going great.

Then on New Years (4 weeks after meeting) I thought I would be a bit direct and sent her a text saying "I would be having a much better time if you were here with me!" (We had both been invited to different parties and after only 3 dates we didn't cancel plans to spend the time together.) She replied "whoa slow down there" But not in a flirty type of way. So I managed to explain it away as me just having too much to drink and doing something "movie cheesy" which she bought.

At this point we are still only seeing each other once a week. I would try to invite her out more often during the week for a quick coffee or lunch and she would decline saying lots to do or university or whatever excuse. But she feels bad because she's always turning me down even though I ask alot. And we would then make plans for the weekend or on a holiday and do something.

Last week we decided on a movie night at her place. I go, bring the wine and everything is going great, clothes coming off then she stops and says not only is she on the rag but that she isn't sure if she wants to have sex with me yet but I'm more than welcome to stay over. This is the first girl that I've spent more than a couple weeks with and I could see this being more than just a hookup so I agree that we can take it slow. I stay overnight (In hindsight this was probably the start of my problems)

So I leave the next day and we chat a little later in the afternoon. I mention that her birthday is coming up and that we should go somewhere (to this really quaint, romantic little village) and she doesn't seem receptive at all so I drop it. Now I suppose the blue balls from the other night clouded my judgement because this is where I think I really fuck it up I think to myself, we've been seeing each other for 5 weeks now maybe I should be more direct... I text her
Me: Let's meet up today. It doesn't have to be another movie night but it would be nice to see you more than once a week ;)
Her: Lol how often would be ideal for you then? :D :D
Me: See I can't answer that right now! Because I only have the experience of once a week. I would recommend we gradually increase the time spent together until we find the ideal balance! You know, collect some empirical data! (Empirical data is an inside joke between us)
Her: Ahahaha very...ambitious of you
Me: What can I say, I'm a scientist first and foremost (another inside joke)

Then no message until later the next day when she comments on how cute a picture of me is. The texting has become a bit shorter and less fun since then despite me trying to keep it lively. I feel like from that exchange I came off way too needy and pushy. At the same time we just made another date (for this weekend) I'm going to her house and we are cooking dinner together. I'm getting some mixed signals now and am thinking I need to step way back. At the same time I know shes getting a ton of other messages from other guys and if I pull away too much she's going to quickly move on.

It's a long one guys, thanks for those who took the time to read and I'm hoping to hear any thoughts and feedback. I do like this girl and can definitely see the relationship going somewhere. I feel like I'm tightrope walking at the moment trying not to fuck up.

Ahhh and here's your problem.

By trying so hard to tightrope walk and not fuck things up, you are indeed fucking things up.

#1 - You're afraid of losing her. You mention that "shes getting a ton of other messages from other guys and if I pull away too much she's going to quickly move on". You're feeling so much emotion for her for exactly that reason.


What YOU should be doing is worrying less about these other guys, and focusing on meeting more women. Attractive women who can compete with her.

You're absolutely right - give her a little bit of space. Let her come to you. But do NOT try to tone down your level of sexuality. You want a sexual relationship - not a friendship. Sure, you can do other stuff, but definitely keep plugging away at escalating things physically, BUT also ensuring that you have a roster of other girls on your plate.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:18 pm 
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Thanks, for that. Exactly what I needed to hear. I've actually got another date with someone else that I've known for a while on Friday. Absolutely no feelings there but she is definitely pleasing to look at!

My experience is obviously telling me to do what I already know but to be honest since my last major relationship (about 4 years ago) I've only been a one or two week kind of guy. Having actual relationship feelings again is quite new to me. Like starting all over again. Which I suppose is why I'm scared of losing this one.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:46 pm 
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There is NO relationship here. ChocolatePUA is giving you great advice.

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When you're trying not to fuck up, you're fucking up.

I would say you're showing your hand too early, but its never a good idea to show your entire hand. You don't get to cash in with relationships. Things continue to change, and grow as time moves forward.

You're over investing man, you like her far more than she likes you and she knows it. And its likely you're just her best choice at the moment and so she's riding it out to see how things turn out. So hit the breaks a little bit, see some other women, and focus on you a bit more. This chick isn't going to "complete" you, you have to complete yourself. She can amplify what you've become, but she can't become it for you. You're treating her like far than what she currently is.

What has she done so far that would make you want to commit to her? What has she contributed to your life? You haven't even slept with her yet. I call women out on being selfish all the time in process of trying to push me into a commitment. Why should I? Unless a woman is doing something different than other women in my life what am I committing for? Me liking you because you're attractive and have a cool personality just isn't enough. You have to do something to display that I should do something to change the course of my life by entering a committed relationship with you. And not just have sex with me, laugh at my jokes, and tell me how smart I am like every other girl.

Don't tell me how she's different, tell me what she's doing for your life thats different?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:22 pm 
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Yeah Eddie you're totally right. Except for the improving myself bit. That I have on lockdown, quite satisfied with where I'm at. But there's really no way that my life has drastically improved with her in it. We have alot in common, and always have a good time when we go out even without having sex. But there's really no way that my life has jumped to a next level since I met her. I guess I'm just getting bored with the casual hookups that I've been running through the last few years. Although I should probably join some kind of shrink forum to discuss that one!


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So an update and a follow up question. You guys were all correct of course. I went out last night, picked up had a ONS and I'm thinking much clearer now.

Regarding the tinder girl: She cancelled our date for Sunday saying she just isn't feeling it (I half expected this.) She admitted that she doesn't think it's working out blah blah blah. I played my text game, the usual poking holes in all her excuses and being charming and funny. It kind of worked and she texted me "Okay sure, we can go for friendly drinks then somtime."

Now she was really into me during our first meeting and I'm hoping to reproduce this again. My plan right now is to wait about 2 weeks (exams are coming up wait until they are over) and then send her a text meeting for drinks.

I have two questions: First, should I respond to her "friendly drinks" text or just leave it at that for the two weeks. Second, have I been permanently friendzoned? She was really into me before my weak text game screwed it up. I can see me working some game when we meet up again and the fact that she didn't just say "never contact me again" is definitely a signal for me that she's still somewhat interested to see if I can repair the situation. So any advice and guidance from the pros would be very appreciated!

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Leave the text, don't respond.

And "before" doesn't mean anything with women. The only thing that matters is right now.

Read this: pua-lounge/topic190620.html And you'll know what to do.

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So an update and a follow up question. You guys were all correct of course. I went out last night, picked up had a ONS and I'm thinking much clearer now.
Keep up the therapy.
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I have two questions: First, should I respond to her "friendly drinks" text or just leave it at that for the two weeks. Second, have I been permanently friendzoned?
I'll answer the 2nd question 1st. She doesn't ever put you in the 'Friend Zone'. it's mind fuck place you put yourself! It's like standing in a kiddie pool getting your feet soaked. If you don't like wet feet, step the fuck out.

Don't act like a friend, act like a man, that wants to plant his seed in her fertile ground.

1st part; "Maybe, but only if you can keep your hands to yourself, gimme a call sometime." - then LEAVE IT!

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but she will call.

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