For the believers: does the eye contact technique work on taken chicks? I have my eye on someone, the guy she is with is a nutjob anyway. She's in my education course, not a club/bar btw. I get talking to her during lunch.

And does it work on girls you've literally just started talking to or do you have to build rapport for a while?

Oh, and does the woman know you want her after doing it or does she feel the sexual tension but doesn't know if you feel it?

Escalation models are just another PUA farce.

You really need a step-by-step list to tell you how to touch a woman? Come on now. These PUA tools have duped you into thinking you are incompetent with women without their techniques. Funny how on the one side they tell you to come from a strong Alpha frame, while on the other tell you 10001 things NOT to do (which is basically anything any other normal guy would do which has probably worked for him in the past). Any technique will work if a girl has interest in you, but many of the trolls on this board will backwards rationalize as "OMG so-and-so's method must really work!" when in reality the girl was already attracted to the guy at "Hi, my name is...".

People who got burned a lot of times with women learn to test things for themselves. I suggest you test it for yourself and see if it works for you.

Through the years, I've been through lots of pain since I've mismanaged my affairs and non-affairs with several women. I'm not sure how many since I've lost count but I would say a few compared with SexAddict911's or Stelar's stats-- most were gained through non-established, non-PUA methods. The main culprit for my dilemma was over reliance on the opinions of 'experts' in relationships. I started out early (as a teenager) in these expert opinions by reading the women's magazines that my mom collected. Hence, the healthy doubting, test-first attitude.

I've also spent a bunch of money on a few PUA materials-- some of the money went down the drain after on field testing for several months. Several ideas work actually though and these are gems. The rest of PUA ideas are marketing fluff and/or bullshit.

To answer your question, personally, yes. But you should know which taken chick are you going to play it on through reading body language. Some chicks are happily engaged and satisfied with their relationship that no amount of sexual tactics can get them. The drive for love is greater than the drive for sex. A significant percentage of men kill themselves after being rejected in love while few to no reported cases of suicides have been recorded when men get rejected for sex. Same stats are true for women.

A taken chick who is not happy with her relationship will walk a certain way that screams, "I'm not having any vaginal orgasms with my man. I'm so frustrated." She will also look a certain way. Her eyes would be empty, looking far off and distant. You'll notice a sad quality in her once you get used to these signs. Meanwhile, you'll only get familiar with the 'walk of the woman' once you've learned to give women consistent vaginal orgasms.

Most of the 'DTF signs' that you can find on here and on other sites are just plain bullshit once you've learned to read 'the walk' and 'the look.'
Works on both for me, at least. But test it for yourself. Besides, my criteria for success might be different from yours.

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If the woman is both taken and happy then your just wasting your time.

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Yea the whole...seductive eye thing is a bit funny. I think there's definitely something so weird about it...maybe Warped can comment. If a man came up and did this to me, the tension would just be that..tension. If a hot girl did this to me, I'm not sure if 60 would consider it as "Sexual" but i'm guessing yea.

But I believe 60 is saying is men go more off of looks and women don't. I mean technically they do to SOME extent, but that sexual tension is always there from : touch, closeness, and eye contact/deadpan face (the yawn or im bored but still looking at you with some skepticism face).

I'm not sure. I can't really imagine..or rather social conditioning / programming just makes me think it's fucking super weird to do that to a girl...I can imagine a lot of hideous looking people trying it on her...and maybe she does get attracted...but it could be creepy if shes not into certain types of people...etc. But according to 60, it hardly fucking matters. The 'creep' usually has attraction.

But then I wonder...what defines 60's creep from an ACTUAL creep? I'm guessing it's someone who fidgets, can barely get a word out, stares, looks away when she notices, hovers badly around her constantly looking, etc.

There has to be some level of mutual attraction to begin with for a woman to be receptive to seductive eye contact. 'Seductive eye contact' in and of itself wont make a person attracted to you if he or she has no attraction towards you to begin with. With women, on the other hand, so long as they aren't repulsed by you there is a chance you can draw her in with non-tangibles, what PUAs refer to as DHVs.

60's "risk creepy" mantra has more to do with getting guys out of their shell and take a more sexual frame when interacting with women rather than encouraging them to act 'creepy`. 60's whole thing is that "fast escalation, a calm reaction to
resistance, and persistence" are key ingredients to building attraction, but again if she has no attraction towards you to begin with, not even the best game in the world will win her over.

Good point m8.

Cheers. Would a woman KNOW you've just tried to seduce her if there isn't a mutual attraction? Painful fail, if yes lol

Rather than relying on some meta analysis, here's what scientists say about dilation of the pupils in men, http://boileddown.me/storage/pupil.pdf

When you look at women in a very sexual way, your pupils will naturally dilate. You will also give off that bad boy vibe due to the testosterone boost. The testosterone boost phenomena along with other sexual hormones has numerous studies on that matter.

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This is kinda important: if you strike a blank and the girl doesn't find you attractive, does she know you were trying to seduce her?

If not, I could use eyefucking as a step to get out of the friendzone with some women, haha

Regardless of the friend zoned stuff, it sounds a wonderful tactic, cheers.

Generally speaking most women are intuitive enough with behavioral cues to pickup when a guy is actively trying to seduce her. If she likes the guy she'll allow it, and if the sexual tension gets too high it may indeed make her nervous and entice her to bait the guy to break rapport (this is often misconstrued as a lack of interest in the guy, that's why PERSISTENCE is so important). At any rate the woman simply decides if she's going to let you seduce her or not, if she has 0 interest in you (e.g. you've got nothing to offer) then your advances will be ignored or outwardly rejected. If she's not interested dont be a fucking idiot by hanging around or being rude, simply extricate yourself from the situation and move onto a woman who'll be receptive to your advances.

Why don't you just ask Warped He isn't dead yet.

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LOL no... but as time goes by the less and less I care about posting on forums.

I have a list of stuff I still want to write about and that list is becoming quite short. As soon as I've wrote about all that I want to I probably wont be posting here much anymore.

But, I probably always be around on the *other* forum. You know which one I'm talking about DJ_Z. I don't mention it here because I don't want all the KJs from here going over there.

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