I told warped this in the chat room. BTW this is also a real principle of the game IMO. Spread value to as many people as you can. If I make a post and 100 people read it. 99% don't believe the words, and 1 guy takes it as a jumping point and goes down the rabbit hole and changes his life. Perfect!

I just have hear the doubts of the other 99 that I don't even care about. So I call them haters because who asked them to go on rampages towards my credibility? They took that upon themselves with posts that weren't even directed towards them. It's clearly striking some sort of nerve otherwise they wouldn't say anything at all.

It's not my fault that I speak about my life and they end up feeling some type of way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KKbdErJkiY

The lesson here I want to impart on that 1 guy is this. When you start building an attractive lifestyle you will have stuff like this happen to you. Even if you don't take it to extremes like I do.

4 attractive principles:

1. Have solid intent behind your actions. 2. move with a laser targeted focus on your intent. 3. be unaffected by the state frictions of the world. which will cause 4. A transparent projection of your intent into the outside world.

State frictions:

1. Distractions (particularly subconscious mind distractions that are meant to keep you in a comfort zone and in the sea of sameness that you currently exist in) You have to train the subconsciousness like it is an entity of itself. When you feel it pulling you off the path, stop and snap back to reality.

2. Social conditioning...Be unaffected by other peoples opinions. Let other people have their opinions and forget about them. Let their doubts and their prejudices roll off you like water off a duck's back. (this is where those guys fall in regards to me.)

3. Intention violation - This is when you do something that goes against your intentions. Stand by your intentions and have core values and principles that are unbreakable. 3 of mine are honor, courage, and commitment that I learned in the Corps. Remember a man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.

You won't find anyone who can help you here that has knowledge of how different styles resonate with different female psychologies.

Well, anyone besides me.

You want 5? I'll give you 8.

Here is my top secret 8 path framework.

After learning pandora's box and stealth seduction this was born. - This framework is still being developed because now I am pouring in the teaching of justin Wayne.

So I'll give this to you since I will soon be doing something much better. This will be a long post.

First. Understand female psychology.

She has 3 things she has to deal with. 3 problems. When it comes to relationships and dating.
Time, Sex, Relationship.

Each of these problems she will have 2 ways of dealing with it.
Time: This is how she invests her time with men. One is called a tester. The other an investor.
Testers will typically have many male friends. She spends her time with different male options and pulls certain characteristics from each of them to form her "perfect man" from the group.
The Investor will focus all of her time in one man and has very few if any male friends. She takes a guy with potential and tries to make him better, or more like how she wants him to be in ways she thinks is better. T vs. N

Sex: This is how the woman views sex with men. One is called a denier, and the other a justifier.
The denier will typically deny anything having to do with sex. She gets uncomfortable talking about sex or anything related to sex. Sex holds great emotional value to her. The justifier is numb to sex and will sleep with men easily. Sex to her is more like a hand shake and she often has hundreds of partners. She justifies the sex in her head, the other denies all sex. A justifier will typically drink, have tattoos, piecings, and/or wear provocative clothing. Denier obviously will typically not do those things and is a very religious girl, or one with strong morals, and values. You won't see her showing off a lot of flesh usually. A party girl vs a church girl. D vs. J

Relationships: This is how the woman views a relationship with a man. One is called a realist, and the other an idealist. The realist has a career and goals and can take care of herself. She views men and woman on a more equal playing field and will be more likely to buy you a drink then the opposite. Idealist this is the snow white woman. The homemaker who dreams of the picket fence the children, and the dog. She will want you to pay for everything and take care of her and her needs. R vs I

Now, combining these you discover 8 different psychologies of woman. TDR, TDI, TJR, TJI, NDR, NDI, NJR, NJI.

Now each woman responds differently to approaches in entirely different way depending on the mix of her psychology. You can't walk up and run a game on a NDR that is meant for and only works on a TJI.

When first starting out I focused on the clubs. The girl you will mostly find in the club is a TJI. That's why people find it hard to form relationship or meaningful connections with women by spam approaching women in clubs. TJI's are known as social butterflies for a reason. You get their attention quickly and lose it just as fast, and she doesn't care she is cold on the inside and justifies all of her actions including any fucked up traits. I don't like these women very much...

Anyway, that is a basic run down for a more complete overview I suggest you check out pandora's box, but the system is about 600.00 so that's why I'm the only one on this forum with the knowledge.

Ok, now that you know that lets go over the opener/framework.

I don't like cold approaching. It's a really bad style, I do what you consider a warm approach. After a quick preliminary analysis similar to what you may have seen in limitless.

First off we have the situation. 3 types of situations.
Dynamic, static, Dynamic-instatic

Dynamic is when there is a small window to approach like if you see a girl walking towards you and you're walking in the opposite direction.

Static is when there is an extended period of time between you and the girl. Like standing in line, or sitting on the bus.

Dynamic-instatic is a mixure of the two, mainly clubs and bars.

You have to approach each situation differently.

Wow so you told me I have 8 different types of women in 3 different types of situations. that means there are 24 different ways to go about this? If I use this one method or routine then I'll only be able to get 1 out of 24 women?

No. It actually gets deeper than that...

In each situation you have 3 types of women. Yes, NO, and Maybe girls.

A yes girl will be attracted to you as soon as she sees you, but if you don't use the correct thing for her psychology and/or you don't approach the situation correctly you will turn her into a no girl, and get rejected. No girls are unavailable to you, period. Maybe girls are on the fence about you, and if you don't hit the situation correctly, her psychology correctly, AND do a little more (Enter Justine Wayne - this I haven't mastered in the field yet so I won't speak on it) she will reject you.

This represents that 1 in 100 figure that these gurus throw out when telling guys to just follow their system, spam approach and you will get the girl.

Damn a lot to take in isn't it? I've internalized all of this stuff except the maybe girl skills so I'm no master yet. What I'm going to give you is the framework for getting all of the yes girls that you can get. Remember though that this will still only work on about 1 in 3 women you see. If you're an ugly motherf****r then it might not be 1 in 3. It might be 1 in 10! Factor in variance as well because it's not like you will run into 1 yes girl for every 2-9 unavailable ones. It doesn't work like that in the real world. You might run into 5-30 unable women before you walk past an available one. Or you might run into 4 available ones one after the other.

Imagine using an approach on the wrong girl in the wrong setting while being disqualified by your looks at the beginning...

This is why you see threads where guys are talking about "600 approaches and no lays", and 007 who has made videos of nearly 300 approaches and no lays... PU is too focused on the man, it should really be focused on the woman that you are trying to seduce, but the pioneers have set the wrong tone that everyone else has jumped off of.

Dynamic Framework -
Have your phone on your ear and enjoy a conversation with yourself. Just laugh and be really crazy and have fun with it. Maintain strong body language as you walk, shoulders pulled back chest up pelvis forward like you are penetrating a giant pussy, head held high and taking long strides. Stay focused on the phone and don't look at anyone or anything directly, as if you are in your own little world and nothing outside matters. Use your peripheral vision to spot the girl.

When you spot her asses her sex line. In your peripheral vision while talking on the phone and laughing look at how she is dressed, any visible tattoos or piercings. It should be almost instantaneous, if she is a Justifier you can use as much sexual tension as you want. (Note this does not mean talk about sex directly with you and her, or make comments on her being sexy or comments on her body, no woman likes that stuff up front.)

OK so you have D or J already figured out. Keep talking and closing the distance. When she gets into about a 6 foot radius you made a sudden gesture or movement that attracts her eye towards you. (this whole time you were not looking at her) Then look her square in the eye with a curious look on your face with a slight smirk. This is an investor test, it happens in a split of a second. A SPLIT OF A SECOND, and it will force an IOI out of her.

If she is interested in you and she is an investor she will return the strong eye contact and will smile lick her lips play with her hair or do something. I was shocked by this reaction when I first got it. It's so intense man...You won't believe it at first. Expect this to happen with like one in 35 girls that pass by you. She is an investor and is pretty much ready to go. You will perform a direct approach on this woman. Investors need direct approaches. Indirect stuff will turn them off immediately.

If she is a tester and is interested in you, she will break the eye contact and appear nervous. She will look down at her feet, and may play with her hair. Looking down at the feet is the signal of tester and interest. This is the most common reaction. You need to perform an indirect approach on her. Direct stuff is too intense and will turn her off immediately. During the conversation she will say something that will give you an opportunity to go direct. This window has to be taken or it will be closed, sometimes forever.

A no/maybe girl will either look off to the side indicating she is not interested, or will avoid looking at you entirely even when you make the hand gesture. This is because she is consciously preventing herself from looking at you because she is either afraid of the interaction or she is caught up in some thought and distracted from the world.

You can approach these women if you like, but it will be fighting an uphill battle. I'm studying the ways of these women now through Justin Wayne because I want to expand my choice even further than what I already have.

Man...I've been typing a long time. I haven't even gotten to the actual interaction after the opener, or the other 2 situations yet. I'm going to call it for now, if you are curious about the other stuff just send me a PM. You have an opener that is better than everything else you will find on this forum, or in the world for that matter in the dynamic situation.

Get into a heavy foot traffic area and do this with every girl that crosses your path, and run your favorite direct/indirect thing. This type of "approach" is done in a few instants and will allow you to "approach" massive numbers of women without anyone else even seeing what is going on.

Hey my man no worries. Here is a simple trick to keep a conversation going forever.

Called conversational threading. If someone says a sentence there are a few subjects in it or at least 1. This is just basic English you know subjects and predicates all that stuff you learned in elementary school.

You take one of those and just say make a statement off of it giving the other person at least 3 positive ways they can take it. Then what ever they say back will have more subjects in it and you can jump off one of those.

After you run a thread it's course or can't come up with something you can always double back and pick any of the subjects you left alone.

Example: After you run a thread it's course you can always double back and pick any of the subjects you left alone.

I take the word thread out of that last sentence: "Yeah threads are a great way to communicate with people you don't know."

I take the word communicate: "Communication is key to life: I find that the only way you can make money in this world is through communication."

I take the word money: "The best ways to make money in this world is to set up a passive income and obtain financial freedom."

I take the word passive and Invoke the spirit of Majikal: "Passive income is for pussies! You need aggressive income!"

I take to word income: "There are ways to expand your income by using aggressiveness to work towards the passive income."

I double back and grab "people you don't know": "I find the best way to establish that aggressive mindset needed for PU, is to practice convincing people you don't know to hand over their money to you willingly."

I take this point and expand it into a story: "I used to work as a door to door salesman. Every day I would put on my cleanest suit then go to an office where they would focus on boosting your talkative state. I would be pumped, then I would go out and viciously assault the city in order to put food on my table."

You see how easy this is? I just had a conversation with myself and I could have kept it going indefinitely. You can talk forever. The beauty of this skill is that it can be used with any type of style you run. You can tailor your talking points to what ever you learned from your Guru, you will just never run out of things to say.

Sure I'll elaborate. I hadn't because I didn't want to make this thread about me, but the concept of JMULV's borderline illegal escalation model. I don't even think it's borderline. I think you can fully be charged for ignoring resistance and escalating further...whipping your dick out and masturbating in front of a resistant girl. Indecent exposure, sexual harassment...the list goes on. Then if the girl just gives in unwillingly solely due to your relentlessness thinking she has no alternatives, that's not overcoming shit tests...it's called rape.

Anyway, what I do is a fusion of several concepts. If you've read any of my other thoughts surrounding developing your game you know I take a Bruce Lee mindset to it. Test theories, keep what works, discard what doesn't then build on what you already have. I forget which part came from where but it's a fusion of some of my own experiences, vindicalo's escalation ladder, and micro escalation.

I always open the conversation with some form of contact. This lets me know how receptive the girl will be from the get go so I can move on quickly if she balks at me touching her. I do it in a natural way so as it's not coming off forced but part of my personality.

In my opening words I'll touch her arm when emphasizing a point, shake her hand after introducing myself, or give her a high five. Then as I talk I'll mix in light brushes on her arm or touches when emphasizing points, but not on every point I emphasize so it doesn't look forced. You can sort of feel when it's appropriate. For the scientific minded, I'll do it in 1 of every 4-5 points I make and not at a static interval but dynamically. Meaning something like point with touch, point, point, point, point with touch, point, point, point with touch, point, point, point, point, point, etc.

Depending on the intensity of IOI and if I get before I start talking I may skip this step and go directly to the more overt touching. This is to just get her comfortable with me touching her in a non romantic way.

The first few time she might react to the touches, as long as she isn't throwing you disgusted looks just ignore the reactions and she'll soon stop reacting at all. She's comfortable with the touch. This does not always happen, she might not react at all when you touch her the first time.

During this period I'm talking about superficial stuff if I'm going indirect. If I used a direct approach the first level would be skipped. Lets say I'm indirect for the purposes of trying to map this out for you all. Right now I'm getting her used to me touching her and am talking about superficial BS just vibing and making her laugh. Nothing serious. I might throw in a teasing comment here and there.

She'll say something that isn't congruent with the tone of the conversation. Something that is meant to impress me. Like what school she went to, or her job, or some hobby she might think I'll like. This is her qualifying herself to me. Some girls won't at which point I have a few methods to force a qualification out of her. When she has made a qualifying statement I give her a quick one arm side hug around the shoulder.

Then the conversation switches from BS vibing into us sharing likes dislikes and hobbies. At this stage I use more romantic touching. I'll give her a full frontal hug the next time she says something I like. I've got different tricks that lead to the hug. One is giving her another high five when she says something then holding on her hand calling it a hand hug for about 5 seconds then telling her she might as well give me a real hug. Another is just simply saying "You get a hug for that." then hugging her.

When the hug happens the next thing depends on whether it's in a club or on the streets.

In the club: I'll make sure I'm standing so that our legs are touching each other. This is where I'll use micro escalation. I'll break the hug but leave one arm behind her back and continue to talk for a few lines. Then the arm on her back wraps up to her shoulder, and continue to talk for a few lines. Then I mover my other arm to the back of her neck and I move in to talk into her ear, and continue to talk for a few lines. Next I'll switch between her ears while talking allowing our cheeks to touch, , and continue to talk for a few lines do this. Finally, I'll move in as if I'm about to kiss her then change directions at the last minute doing the cheek ear thing and continue to talk for a few lines.

Explaining the kino requires me to explain the conversation too. I hadn't realized how long this post would get before I started typing. Thanks a lot JACK!

Anyway, if she is in the optimal condition for extraction (been in the club for an hour, friends aren't around us, she answered "I don't know." To my question of what her plans where after she left the club) I'll set up an after party and escort her outside either arm in arm or holding her hand. I usually get a taxi because 1 I don't have a car (nor do I want one) and 2 in order to keep the kino going.

I'll have her rest her head on my shoulder. or put her legs over mine. While talking I'm now emphasizing points by placing my hand on the back of her neck and getting eye to eye. I'm also pinching her cheeks. I am purposely not kissing her. When we arrive at my place when I have her comfortably sitting on my couch We'll talk with her legs over mine or her head on my shoulder, and I'll do the hand behind the head thing, but this time go in for a kiss, if she turns slightly I'll change direction at the last minute and talk into her ear like I did at the club. So she won't know whether I was actually trying to go for a kiss or not. Thus no rejection occured.

I'll do this until she does not turn away, could be on the next go. If she turns her head a bunch of times before not moving then the kiss will be a quick peck because I stole it, and I'll break the tension with a line like "It's like kissing my mom." This is because this chick for some reason doesn't like kissing. But still the kiss has been accomplished you don't have to kiss her lips again the entire night, but now the door is open to everything else.

If she didn't resist the kiss at all then I make out for a few moments.

After the lips have touched now I'll kiss her neck. The base of the neck above her chest seems to be the best starting place. There is a spot there that turns women on. It's not always in the same place or on the same side. I'll kiss and suck on one side of her neck. If she is cool with kissing I'll move back to her mouth, then the other side. If she gave me hell just to get a peck I'll skip her mouth entirely and switch between the right and left side of her neck.

BTW during this process after the kiss if she resists the next step just go back to the last step and stay there for a few minutes then try the next step again. - This is the difference between rape and overcoming LMR.

Anyway, there is no set number of how many times you have to back up say at the current step, then try the next step again. It's different for each women. Some will allow you to proceed smoothly. Others will be extremely resistant. I've had women where I've spent 2 hours doing this with. I've learned to enjoy the escalation and not worry about the end result because you'll get bored, but the woman won't. It's about building her comfort levels.

Next, while distracting her with the neck triangle I'll lift her shirt up and mine and let out bellies touch. This excites women so much. This type of touch she only experiences while having sex.

I'll stay there for a few minutes.
Then I'll go down and stimulate her body by kissing her stomach. You can grab her tits at this point, but some women are very sensitive about their tits and it could kill the mood. So I usually just skip the breasts.

Next. I'll innocently stimulate her pussy by accidentally brushing it with my arm or leg a few times.

I'll mix stimulating her body with the kiss triangle.

Next my hand moves to her lower back and I pull her into me stimulating her pussy indiscriminately with my leg in the process.

Then my hand moves down her back into her pants and I play with her ass on the outside of her panties.

After a while doing that my hand goes into the panties and I play with her bare ass.

After enjoying that for a while I'll directly stimulate her pussy from behind. I'll start playing with it and fingering it from behind. This works best because it's unexpected by her, and a natural transition from where your hands already are.

If she resists I'll keep playing with her ass and then try again. If she resists 2 or 3 more times. I switch tactics and begin to dry hump her in missionary position. Then I'll pull my dick out and position it where her vaginal opening would be and I try to push my dick in through her cloths. And I continue dry humping her this way. For a while, continuing the kiss triangle.

Then I'll remove her pants. Dry hump her outside of her panties then take her panties off and put on a condom. Done.

If I get to finger her from behind I'll do that for a while and then undo her pants from the front with my other hand and finger her from the front.

After doing that for a while (btw when we get into my apartment I always put on a robe that has condoms in the pocket to make this last step smooth. You should always run to the bathroom and change cloths when you all first walk in)
I put on a condom. Done.

OK. the kino on the street is different. After the full frontal hug I'll break contact and talk with her a bit. Then I'll reach out and grab her hand in a smooth way while we're talking. Or I'll say "Let me see something. (grab her hand) I just wanted to hold your hand because I'm so romantic."

Then I'll hold her hand for 2 minutes strong. After 2 minutes of hand holding has passed I'll try to move her to an instant date. If I can't I'll go for a kiss then the number.

Say I can't get her on the instant date. After the 2 minutes of hand holding it's fine to go for a kiss without prepping her face with kino while on the street.

There are a ton of ways to do this. "The french goodbye." is a favorite of mine. You can find many examples here on this forum for k close transitions.

If I do get her on the instant date. I take her to a place where we can sit side by side.

At first I'll let are legs touch in brief instances and after she gets comfortable with that I'll keep our legs in contact.

After that I will emphasize points by grabbing her side, or placing my hand on her lower back. only for about 4-5 seconds. and not that much. 1 or 2 is really enough to move to the next level.

I'll touch a necklace she's wearing or brush something off her face.

Then I'll go for pinching her cheeks, or placing my hand behind her neck and moving in eye to eye to talk. At which point I'll try to extract her to a sex location, if that doesn't work go for the kiss, then the number.

If I have to take the number and set up another date. I'll start from a lower level of kino and build back up through the same process. If I managed to K close before the number I try to get her to come directly over to my place instead of meeting me out somewhere.

The steps at the sex location are all the same. Kiss leads to everything else.