I've finally worked up the courage to step outside of my social circle/online dating and start cold approaching and number closing during the day. Did it twice, but both flaked on a subsequent date. I assume I'm not building enough rapport? Both approaches were at a retail store where chat time was limited (around 8-10 mins, grocery store and clothing outlet). I can usually hit on a few commonalities and relate them (this one chick loved Tim Burton and I happened to remember a jingle from a Nightmare before Christmas and she lit up and gave me a high five). IOIs seemed good, they were very engaged during conversation with their hips/feet pointed towards me. Only time they broke away was when a supervisor came within their periphery and they finally had to bail.

I know this is only two approaches, but do you guys think I'm doing something wrong or is it just a numbers game and there's probably something going on in their lives that I don't know about? What is the typical flake ratio with cold approaches during the day? Is there a way I can screen a bit more aggressively during the day to weed out the flakes?

I'm interested in hearing people's cold approach numbers for dates and lays as well.
I suspect it's low(brutally low), but I don't think I've ever seen someone post this.

Btw, when you say "cold approach" do you mean that you have no indication from the girl at all(such as eye contact, hovering near you, etc) or just that you don't know her at all?

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The the first one was at a grocery store, she came from behind me and was restocking items to the right. Then as soon as I saw her, I just approached and started chatting her. I didn't get a chance to read any eye so it was a dead cold approach.

The second one was a flirty chick at a clothing store, I caught her looking at me a few times then I approached.

I didn't know either of them before hand.

There was a third chick before all this (about a month ago) I talked to at another retail store. I mentioned to her I was new to the area and she responded "Soooo... are you planning on staying here long?" I responded with "I don't know, we'll see." Then she said "We'll maybe i'll see you around." I'm guessing that was a big IOI? Too bad I was too pussy to get her number. Maybe I should go back there and try to number close her...

Try approaching girls who aren't hired guns. 8 to 10 minutes is way more than enough time to hook a girl if you have built rapport and told her about yourself and formed a really warm, close connection on the initial approach. 5 minutes will do it, even 3 if your "game" is on point. Will they all meet up with you? Of course not. But you can improve your chances drastically by subcommunicating your intent, going kino and all of that.

I agree that I don't see any specific numbers from people who have actually done day game a lot, so here are mine. I don't claim to be a pro. I have done somewhere around 300-400 approaches so far and gotten about 50 numbers. Went on a first date with around 15 of them.

Anyways, in my experience, 5 minutes is nowhere near enough. You don't want to spend too long cause you invest too much time in a girl that can easily flake on you, but I'd aim at maybe 10 to 15 minutes mark for just standing around.

What I have been experimenting with lately and what works really well are insta-dates. So you go have a coffee or even a drink (if it's more in the evening) after 10 to 15 minutes of chatting. It's quite rare for this to happen due to logistics and time constraints and you should screen the girl more carefully to ensure the insta-date isn't going to be boring (well at least that's what I care about - that way even if she flaked afterwards I just had a fun time). But I've not had a girl flake on me after insta-date. I have done only 4 so far though.

Anyway currently my strategy, if I like the girl, is try for an insta-date and failing that get a number instead.

It is all a numbers game

I have had deep stimulating conversations that flake and I had 10 second phone numbers that seemed flakey that were solid.

It really boils down to finding the girls that are just at a stage and ready to meet someone in their lives and that you're attractive enough for her to give you her time for a date. Then all you have to do is not mess up the date.

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Nick Krauser, who is one of the leading PUA daygame coaches said the following And keep in mind, Krauser, GLL, etc, do not do spam approaching. They do semi-warm approaches. The girls makes receptive eye contact or something of that nature. %5 conversion seems to be about the height of semi-cold approach. Spam approaching seems to cap out at around %1.

I've seen at least a dozen field logs where the guy does 500+ spam approaches and gets zero lays.

Personally, I can't imagine doing ONE THOUSAND approaches with zero lays, as Krauser did. It takes a certain type of person to do that. Which is why I always suggest warm approaches. They aren't hard to come across, when you know how to look for them.

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Agreed , warm approach is easy at night game but do you do not find it hard to force IOI's in the day?

The enemy seems to be headphones, mobile Phones or both - the girl is in her own fantasy And forces me to do traditional cold approach majority of the time

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