Hey guys,

First of all, big respect to all the contributors here for doing what they do. Self-improvement is what this is all about.

I have been reading about 'The Game' and the community for a fair bit now but tbh I never had a reason to actually execute the knowledge that I have gained. The reason for that is that I have pretty much been in long term relationships throughout my life (in my mid-twenties now) and I've never really had to work to be in any of those relationships. What that means is that all of my past girlfriends were people who I would just spend a shitload amount of time with and eventually we'd just end up getting attracted to each other and then we'd start dating and so forth.

Having said that, I've never had to actually go to a nightclub or a bar to pick-up women as most of the women that i met and dated were actually acquaintances from school or something similar. Now, all of a sudden, I find myself in a 9 to 5 job having broken up sometime ago with my long term gf and I rarely interact with women in a manner that might lead to anything remotely close to a relationship. After taking some time off to myself, I've decided to actually go out and meet new women with the intention of dating them. I have also recently relocated to the east cost for work, near Philly, so I don't know many people here.

I have gone through the newbies sticky thread already and I have read a few books and I have done enough research I believe to actually start practicing this stuff. I have tried going to a few nightclubs but I have had literally zero success. The difficulty I am having is that I have no idea what I am doing wrong, or right, for that matter. I just don't seem to have any idea of where I am in the interaction and how the girl(s) is(are) responding. I have had a few direct rejections, some longer interactions that ended with a number close (followed by a flake lol) and that is pretty much it.

So, it all trickles down to my main question which is: Where do I start with all of this and how do I know whether I am progressing or not? How did you guys start off and track your progress and overcome your difficulties on the way? I'm hoping this is how you go about this like any other skill that you want to acquire and progressively develop.

Thanks in advance to all those who respond.

You can't manage what you can't measure. Get some sort of logbook. Go out sarging, be it day or nightgame. Set realistic short term goals and as soon as you feel confident enough you can consistently achieve them, move on to a higher goal.

E.g.:
Day 1 - Say hello to 50 people, no matter if guys or girls.
Day 2 - Say hello to 20 girls you are attracted to
Day 3 - Nr. Close 5 girls you are attracted to
Day 4 - KC or FC one or more girls
Day 5 - FC a 10/10
Day 21 - You have laid so many girls you are bored of the standard stuff by now. You now are into orgies with midgets, models, sheep and Champagne. Organize the best orgy in the entire east coast.
etc.

You get the drill. As in why a girl in particular flakes, fails, etc... Well, you have all the knowledge you have gathered to understand what is going on. And you will get a good feeling for it after a while. And if you have any doubts, there is always the forum.

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If you wanted to develop a six pack and rock hard body how would you start? And how would you know that you were making progressing?

Developing yourself socially is just like developing your physical muscles. They're socially muscles and need to be exercised and worked out so that they can become strong.

How do you start? You get out there and begin practicing the things that you have seen in the book. How do you know you're making progress? By the results you get, but even if you aren't getting results you are still making progress because you are developing your ability to stand up in the face of rejection. You develop resilience one way or another and that will help you in every area of your life.

Just as its impossible to work out consistently, drinking the right amounts of water, and eating a clean diet to see no results. It is impossible to get out the house and begin approaching all kinds of women will all kinds of lines and eventually see no results.

You just have to do the work. The only short cut is the knowledge you got from the books. You still have to get out there and work at it.

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Thanks for the post.

I understand what you're saying but for instance, just for the sake of clarity of thought, going by the example you presented I try and number close 5 girls on day 3 and fail. In that situation, how do I analyze why I failed? What I did wrong? What I should have done? etc.

I agree with you that there are no measurable metrics but how does a guy (who is a seasoned PUA now of course) during his AFC days recognize that "Ok, I need to work on so and so aspect of my game and this is what is causing me to fail at this stage" and subsequently when he works on those things he ends up progressing up the ladder.

I hope you get what I'm trying to get across here.

Yes, I understand what you are saying, and I told you, breh. The information you gathered. And if you still ain't in the clear, gather more. Read books. Lurk the forum. Ask questions if you have actually gone out in the field and there is a particular case you do not understand and people here will be more than glad to help you. I mean, this is the entire point of PUA. Providing "lost" guys with some sort of knowledge and guidance for them to actually understand what they are doing.

For instance, in my early days, before I ever put some serious effort into PUA (until this point I was aware that the community existed and only applied some basic topics) I would be going out to clubs, meeting girls, getting hot and heavy with them, number close them and... They flaked on me. Every single time. Shit. It wasn't until I read Mystery Method that I understood that I was generating buyer's remorse the day after by acting in such an.... Excessive way the night before. Also, I realized I had to figure out my logistics more. Always have a clean apartment when I go out. Washed bedsheets. A line to get them home and money for the cab. So I fixed my shit and all of a sudden, my results started being much more consistent. What I am saying is... For every question, there is an answer. I know you said you have learned quite a lot already, so either apply it or learn more (but don't neglect actually going out into the field).

And don't worry. Like Eddie said... If you put in your work, results will follow.

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Got it. Just get the hell out in the field and if things don't work out just ask.

Thanks guys, time to sarge!