I've been speaking to two girls in my lectures at university, and we organised to do some work together with our mutual friend (another guy) at their flat.

Our mutual friend said to me "It's a shame HB8 has a boyfriend (he thinks she's hot)" and he showed me a text saying spent the day with the 'bf' which in England could mean best friend or boy friend.

I went along, and as I entered the HB8 (target) said "You can sit here" which was conveniently right next to her. Another boy in her flat took the piss out of her saying "I wonder why HB8?" and she replied "No! It's just the only empty chair..." But she was giggling.

She wouldn't tell me why her nickname was handcuffs until I knew her better as she seemed embarrassed so I keep teasing her about that.

I spent the day and the rest of my lectures with them however left to meet up with my friend at the end. Only getting each of the girls snapchats - I thought this was easier than showing a special interest in HB8 in case she has a boyfriend.

I came in later to a lecture today and the only seat left was next to the HB8. We spoke but she seemed a bit more offy. However I think it was just because it was 9am (early for us students).

In a boring lecture today I snapchatted both girls and other people during it however only the other one replied although I think perhaps as the HB8 although very pretty has some acne, she may be a bit embarassed of snapchat unless with close friends or something. I should mention her top friend on snapchat is called Franky or something. So the gender isn't clear.

I'm unsure how to proceed with this, I think she is probably attracted to me although she used to refer to me as the one with the hair, as my hair is quite long and messy however a lot of girls think it looks pretty cool.

Any suggestions guys? The girls friend added me on facebook last night however HB8 has not.

You do too much assuming. She didn't tell you about a boyfriend...so she doesn't have a boyfriend. If she tells you that she has a boyfriend, keep speaking to her as if she doesn't.

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This all sounds very high school to me.

Engage, escalate and get a drink with her. Until she stops you and tells you she's got a boyfriend, proceed as if she does not.

It sounds like you're making excuses for both her and for yourself. Dude, if you can't ask a girl whether or not she has an actual boyfriend straight up without trying to figure it out on your own you are a bit of target from where you want to be.

I personally believe that the Alpha males get to choose first. So unless a girl has a Alpha male boyfriend you have access to her and thats just the way it goes. And the only way to find out is to ask her straight up. If her boyfriend isn't an Alpha male then she's yours for the taking because the Top Dawg always gets to choose first. Now if you aren't alpha ( which it sounds like you aren't and thats fine too ) getting a girl with a boyfriend isn't something you should be focused on.

Just ask her man. Straight up.

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I sort of agree and disagree with this. If you have a personal objection against trying to seduce a woman with a boyfriend, then asking is okay. If you have no problems with this, you don't ask. There's a big chance ASD will kick in if she does have one.

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And theres a big chance that if you're confident and aren't worried about being able to blow a girls childish ASD that it doesn't matter.

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This is why I haven't asked her. At times when we've talked about whether we've been home from uni yet, she didn't mention a boyfriend when she easily could have.

I have no problem asking a girl straight up out - almost did it today in a supermarket however lost the girl in the aisles... Hahaha.

I don't drink either as I'm training to become a fitness model so nights out are out of the question.

That's backwards thinking. That's almost like saying, "I'm going to dig a really deep hole and jump in just because I'm confident enough that I can climb out." The problem is that you're wasting time digging the hole and you just may not get out. You have to be smart enough to not create problems for yourself. No matter how childish ASD is, it still exists.

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The difference between your analogy and what I'm saying is the digging of the whole had no purpose. Asking the girl whether or not she has a boyfriend has a purpose. Second. I honestly don't see it as a REALLY deep hole. If i had to climb a small hill to take a short cut home versus taking the flat paved long road; I would climb the hill to get to my destination. Feminine energy must always submit to the masculine energy that knows its power. So it not a big deal for me. It's a very minor issue. For a guy that is unsure of himself maybe; but asd is out the way in 30 seconds if it even pokes its head at all. I personally haven't dealt within since I was posting for advice on forums.

We can agree to disagree though jack. We're obviously seeing the same thing from two completely different levels.

Peace & love

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I think you almost made my point Eddie. If you don't care if a girl has a boyfriend, just as digging the hole had no purpose, asking her if she has one serves no purpose. It's just extra work to get to the same destination, which pretty much parallels your reference to you climbing the hill analogy.

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The OP does care though. This is what I am saying. Its the reason he named the post what hedid. I'm not giving myself advice on the forum I am giving the advice to the OP that does care. And if he cares he should ask so he can make a decision and stop thinking about it.

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To be honest guys, I'm up for seeing how things go with this girl boyfriend or not. In that case, what am I best off doing?

Since you don't know whether she has one or not, proceed as though she doesn't have one. If she wants you to stop escalating, she will tell you.

Shall I send her a message on snapchat and ask if what her plans are tonight? I'm not friends with her on facebook but saw she was going out with a boy in June through her profile picture. I'm probably not going to get to talk to her today. By singling out my interest in messaging this girl about her plans am I showing too much interest - should I instead ask what her and her friend are doing tonight? Although that may make me look like a pussy.

If you're interested in a woman it is good to show that interest and pursue her for the most part.