I'm trying to tighten up my game on tinder, because I'm working long hours at new job so don't get a chance to meet new people.

Is it ever worth trying to reopen a girl on tinder? I've had it happen where the conversation is a bit stale at the beginning as I try to find commonalities, and I can deal with girls not replying then. I changed my game this time, and went for the number pretty quickly. I've attached screenshots of the convo.

http://imgur.com/UEWdU2d
http://imgur.com/VqlfEPe

This has happened a few times now. We seemed to be having fun up until this point, and I thought it was pretty playful for a text based conversation, with that in mind, I went straight for the number as I've heard the idea is to transition to phone number asap. In this case, should I just ignore the fact she hasn't replied (its been 24 hours, and she has been active on tinder since) and plow through it. If I was out with a girl, and went for a kiss but got denied, PUA teaching would be too just persist, build up attraction/comfort etc, and then go for it again. Why don't the same rules apply.

I know it might be considered lame to do a double message or whatever, but my thinking was that girls, (especially ones with their boobs out in their pictures like this one) probably get loads of matches on tinder, so she may have forgotten about me. Or did I do something wrong?

EDIT: Forgot to include second part of conversation...have now added it

When you're sending 3 or 4 messages for every one of hers (and hers are shorter), she's not particularly interested. Move on.

You are way more interested in her.

You have framed it all wrong too.

You're telling her that your beard might be good enough for her to like you, it is a weak frame. You need to put HER on the spot and ask her why she should date you.

It also wouldn't hurt to message her that encourages response instead of dead end statements.

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I've realised I didn't include the second part of the conversation

http://imgur.com/VqlfEPe

Does this change anything?

No

your last message was very weak. Extremely weak,

Again, wrong frame:

"I got so many reasons to tell you why I'm the best"

????? (You are forgetting you're supposed to be the prize)

You might get lucky and she might even reply with her phone number but hopefully you see my point(s)

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Yeah, I see what you're getting at...I think I'm playing it too much like I'm acting confident, but don't have actual confidence to back it up with.

Is this the sole reason she might not have replied? Did I go for her number too quickly?

bit of everything really

needy (too many messages)
wrong frame ('i wish you would like me')
bad timing (asking for a number when she isn't invested)

next time, if you are unsure which stage you're at with her, throw in a qualifying question, for example that relates to a previous discussion or something in per profile or pics or something.

If she has a pic of her cooking some food or something, say something like:

" you seem like a good cook, if i was there with you right now, what would you cook me that would really impress me? :p "

You then gauge her response, if she starts listing a bunch of stuff, that means she is invested then you're good to get a phone number.

A smooth way to go for the phone number:

'bla bla you seem cool so far, would you be up for a drink with each other? my tinder keeps crashing, do you have a number? "

If she responds with a one word reply to your question, then you needs more work, don't bother asking the number just yet, try to hit the sweet spot and get her invested (gives you detailed thought through answers and questions and genuinely wants to get to know you)

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THanks for the detailed response. I feel there is a lot I can learn from this.

I had seen other advice about moving from tinder to phone as soon as possible, which is why I went for the number early. I guess building a connection works well if you're back and forthing very quickly, but if the chick is checking tinder once a day,and replying to messages then, you never get any momentum going to even start building up rapport

Golden advice by Pebble.

Be the prize.