Made a few posts about this girl iv been seeing, shes a tricky one, anyway

fucked her-

decided, i wanted more...

she works nights and dindt have time to see me for a week, we just texted alot, but she would take ages to reply even tho i knew she got my text which was anoying.

I got wound up with not seeing her, so blew up

and said, i really like you but you just cant be fucked to see me....
then i said...
i feel as though ur seeing other guys etc.. (cos she hadnt seen me for a week)
then i said
at first i just wanted sex, but then i went round yours and you wanted more
probs not the best thing to say
then i said....
im sorry, i really wanna take you out somewhere
making a tool of myself by groveling...

she isnt texting me or anything SPAM, but her gay best friend is saying he wants sloppy seconds etc.. and hes with her SPAM, and he was chatting to me saying he wants a bit of me etc....

i dont know what to do, leave it, i feel too attached tho, its fucking me off, she is a nice girl, but i think iv totally pushed her away.

i texted her an hour ago saying, boobs!

nothing back yet lol

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It's like everything iv learnt.... it was good at the start and i fucked her, but it was turning it into a relationship where i fucked it up, anyone know any good articles on how to turn it into a relationship btw? for future reference.

Anyway, even tho i know how to play it cool, i was too eager....

when she was in a mood with me the other day, i used some line some guy posted on here for girls who are in a mood...

although your a geek a bit wierd some times and you like hollyoaks, your kinda cute

something like that is a winning line!

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You have to take a step back freeze her out for a couple months, re evaluate your game plan then try again.

That's the thing with PUA shet. They don't teach you how to turn things into relationships which is really the hard part. Even guys who does not know crap about PUA will still manage to find a girl here or there once in a while, but not every guy manages to turn things into what they eventually want (settling down and getting married).

Maybe what you need to do is find out more about this girl, spend more time with her, and see where it leads.

Best of luck !

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"There is always a solution to even the hardest problem in life."

"If something is important enough to you, you won't give up"

Well at the moment shes being off/ignoring me, as though im texting a girl who isnt interested at all and probs getting freaked out.

Im wondering, should i text her today saying, hey, i hate being like this... can i see you again?

or

do it after the week end has passed.

hmmm

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After what you texted her, she freaked out.

I wouldn't expect a text back.

Learning experience.. move on.. I know it's hard. But the things you told her conveyed irreplaceable low value.



As for being able to turn PUA F-closes into relationships.... How is that any harder than relationships WITHOUT PUA...?

As long as you don't become needy emotional, clingy and crazy, SHE will do the relationship work.

Texting her and saying she's seeing other men, when you're not dating her is VERY VERY low value, and since you weren't dating, it would be none of your business if she was.

If you want to turn a PUA F-close into a relationship.. think about this.

Forcing anything, without a SUPER game plan will crash and burn....

If a girl is into you, just don't do things that will push her away.... just keep conveying high value, and let the pieces fall into place. keep hanging out. and never be predictable.

But just let the interaction play out. if there is a relationship connection there, she will feel it too, and you guys will discuss it..

But NEVER and I repeat NEVER profess your love for a woman unless you know damn well she is EQUALLY if not MORE in love with you.... EVER...

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As a PUA, you must leave the girl better off than when you found her

hmmmm, i like how you say she will do all the relationship work ha.

Anyway, she just texted me saying

Matt!x

random text, but dunno what to do now, cos she wud have read my message last night, and today she has made contact with me,

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Ok I would really like to help here since I have the same problem:

Number One: The Fear of losing someone. (Caution: Some ideas may contain Religous Background beleifs)
In the process of meeting someone who responded back to you
It is important to remove that fear the comes from:

1- Past Experience of someone walking out on you (Family , X-relationship)

My personal Experience: My relationship with my father who does not give me any value what soever. He did not give me love and only I had was from my mother who lived in another country,
Second of all , my X girlfriend who dumped me , but this way because she was insecure about herself and although I was good to her she slept with another guy.
Accept the past reframe it and know that you were on the right path the wholetime around and its not who you are now.


2- Self Esteem (You think you are not worth being with, thats why your insecure.)
Solution: You know your worth it and list down why you are you.

You have to beleive in fate that if something is best for you it will work out
you try your best be yourself and put effort into it and rest is for God for he knows best what
is good for you.

I would also recommend you working on your innergame first before meeting up with girls or giving them love. To have give something out you must have it and the sense im having right now is you have no love for yourself first before you give it to her.

So I want you to work on your innergame and become a MAN who is ready to handle any situation without posting it on a forum here.

If you can do that then you have acheived true success that no other PUA/Natural can acheive with countless of women met, or money made.

Best of Luck,
Your brother in Arms ,
Raman

nice one ramon^^^^ thanks i like it how you say you should list all the good things about yourself because i do feel as though i can offer her more than her ex's who were all pricks.

Anyways...

Shes been texting me, and iv been off with her.
she asked my why i am being off with her, so i said..
im not
lol
then i said
i cant be fucked to play games any more
her: what games
me: what do you want....?
her: ?? X

now i have left it so she can think about me haha, god i hate playing games, girls only seem to register to them tho, as soon as your nice they get turned off.

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Its a part of life brother,

Nobody is perfect and we all feel but the difference is how you control your actions and your inner demons.

I would suggest being direct with her about what you want in this relationship.

I always say if a guy is a position of weakness it will not work out thats for sure because something in the middle is hurdling the situation and you wont figure it out untill you got blown out and time passes by.

No worries this is just part of life and I personally beleive there is a will behind it.

i asked her what she wanted,
she said whatdo you want?
i said, you, but a less geekier version
she said, thanks ha! fair enough x x
so i said, well,,, wat do you want?
nothing back
so i said
nothing, sex, a date, more, less, fuck buddies, pen pals, my bitch? a few siggestions.
still nothing, fucking dick. lol

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Law of Attraction

Sorry bro..

She is no longer into you sexually.

She may text you, but that is not an IOI.

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As a PUA, you must leave the girl better off than when you found her

don't you think i can get her back sexually?

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Law of Attraction

How bout you change the way you speak to her?

So instead of trying to bang her why not talk to her , listen to her be present and see what makes her happy?

if its another guy be there for her and be supportive.

What im trying to get to is be good and be unconditionally loving.

Nothing beats that.

In regards to your own sexual intention towards her, build some SSP (Sexual state projection) if you have practiced enough she will come towards that energy for you as well.

I having posting all over the place trying to get an answer to your exact same question!

So far I have received very very few responses or fingers pointed in any particular direction. Regardless, I have come up with a few ideas that may be informing this type of situation. So if it helps, here is what I have come up with.

The Fundamental Theorum of Pick-Up:

Any action taken by a man towards a woman that differs from how he would act if he felt genuinely ambivalent towards her...is a mistake.

Imagine this girl you're hung up on 2 stones heavier, slightly worse skin and more shy demeanor. Would you care if she didn't call you for a week? Would you be really worried that she was seeing other guys? Would you care how things went in general? Of course not. There are girls we feel indifferent about all over the place wondering why we didn't call them after a date or a hookup. There are no women whom we place on pedestals, worship, pine for or dote upon who are anxiously awaiting our phone calls or our company.

There is a balance to all of this. The more certain you are of your interest in a woman, the more certain she will be of her own disinterest. The more ambivalent you are, the more she will wonder how to fully win you over. As soon she feels the vile sensation of your interest level surpassing hers, she will immediately start thinking about whether she wants you or not. The answer to that question is unfortunately always "no." When your interest level remains firmly beneath hers at every turn, she will be irresistibly consumed by her desire to win your love and affection.

For the future, I would suggest the following: 1. Before bringing women into your life, make sure that your life is busy. Fill all of your non-work or school time with scheduled hobbies, projects, events or anything to dominate your time and thoughts. When you find yourself genuinely forgetting to call girls you're currently nuts about, your lifestyle is in good health. 2. Make a list every morning of five things about the current woman of interest which would make you NOT want to have a relationship with her. This should help combat the urge to deify her.

Again, I am having the exact same problem that you're having. There appears to be little or no information on the topic coming from the top tier of the community, so we may have to figure this one out for ourselves. All the best to you brother and I feel your pain.

- OctavianusPUA