Is it generally good to always use the 3 second rule when approaching a woman, or are there times when it is better to do something different?

The 3 seconds rule has been made to get beginners to go and start approaching. It works for many people.

More experienced PUA don't need it cause they can wait for the right moment (example: if she's surrounded by guys and you approach her -especially if you aren't that alpha- you'll be just another beta trying to get in her pants. In this case PUAs could wait til she rejects the other guys or find a way to get through everyone).

If you can stand there for more than 3 seconds and not get all in your head... no need. But most guys will start to over think shit and come up with reasons in their head why they shouldn't approach. Then its too late.

So yes, generally, its a good idea.

When I work with students in-field, I'll tell them "You've got 20 seconds" and that means they have 20 seconds to get into a set before I punch them in the arm. Me hitting them in the arm hurts alot more than some little girl rejecting them is going to do. That works too...

It's just getting in the habit of approaching.

You'll find that a lot of the rules are more guidelines for getting into PU. A lot of the beginner stuff is designed to desensitise you to being turned down so you can essentially move beyond it, not care if someone turns you down which actually works in your favour as you become more relaxed, less stressed and more cool in how you present yourself by default.

The three second rule is great though but as said it depends on the scenario. I've taken to having women approach me. Force an IOI to get her attention, reinforce her belief that I could be into her by forcing another IOI all the while DHVing passively(Such as being the leader in your group -- the guy everyone turns to). I get approached pretty much every night I go out. It varies in quality, however. I get 6s to 8s and sometimes 9s approach. Only the confident women with high self-esteem/"energy" will approach you.

How do you force an IOI? I tried it many times, but works only once out of ten times for me...

making eye contact then for example, waving at her is a forced IOI.

Most times out of 10, it will get a reaction from the girl. So i'm thinking the only reason you got it to only work once of out out of 10, is because she was looking your direction anyway or something or perhaps you don't understand what a forced IOI is and that the girl has to be already making eye contact to you for it to work

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

Set your frame and hold eye contact across the room. Let her break contact first then slowly turn your attention elsewhere. Don't go straight back to checking her out immediately. Give it about 10 minutes before you pay her any more attention.

The point is to get it into her head that you could be interested not that you definitely are. During these ten minutes she will be glancing in your direction or at least checking in her peripheral vision to see if you're checking her out. She'll naturally be curious and want to know... You've basically hooked her interest in one simple move and then you're solidifying her beliefs after ten minutes when you repeat checking her out in the same fashion. She'll be convinced you're into her after the second IOI and contemplate approaching you.

When you're forcing an IOI in order for it to work you need to convey that you think there might be something about her that's different to everyone else but you're not so interested that you're prepared to find out. This peeks her interest and adds mystery. It also adds value as you're essentially saying "I'm high value, love. I think you might be alright but i'm not going to lower my value to approach you. Prove yourself."

Forcing an IOI is dominant and displays confidence. From the moment she breaks eye contact she has it in her head that you're a confident(And successful) guy. When she sees your friends turning to you and running everything past you she's going to think you're important, thus of high value. If you tie this in with alpha body language and mannerisms you've essentially gamed her without so much as saying hello to her. From this you've displayed the major traits of the alpha male: Leadership, dominance, confidence, security and strength.

It's not so much as forcing an IOI as it is the importance of your entire frame. Forcing an IOI is basically a tool to grab her attention and set you aside from everyone else in the club and reinforce the belief that you could possibly find her attractive while also showing that you're of higher value and require her to prove herself to you. Essentially you're turning the tables on her. You've switched from hunting her to making her feel the need to hunt for you.

This looks awesome and I think I found some mistakes I made... Gonna try all this again. Thanks!

Awesome post as always.

You have inspired me to focus on this more.

Usually, my bunch of friends just go off running around the club hunting for pussy (then that means I have to instead of being Billy Nomates) with the expense of sacrificing their value. It still works to some degree by playing the numbers game. But I guess next level game is the eye contact stuff. I don't it as often as I should but when I get it work, its amazing.

My problem is that I approach as soon as I force the IOI, then lose some man points by approaching. I feel that planting the seed in her head and letting it grow, then casually 'bumping into her later' will be much more efficient and natural. It is guaranteed to hook.

If you have more content on this subject, please do PM me. Would love to read more on it and try it this weekend.

Pebble

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

The three second rule is great because it creates a situation when you don't have to think or let emotions set in. And which that happens, you're operating genuinely and in the moment - completely out of your head.

My only issue with it is when guys use it as an excuse not to approach at all. So whether you make the three second cut approach or not, go approach anyway. I have great experiences with women whether I use it or not.

_________________
Need Coaching? For 1 on 1 Coaching via SPAM, Phone or Instant Messenger - Email: EddieFews@Gmail.com

Show Support, Buy The Book: 'The Secret Laws Of Social Wisdom - Click Here

http://www.EddieFews.com

2 second rule works better.

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

Thanks for the advice guys! I'm gonna be going out in the next couple days, so I'll keep these things in mind as I start approaching.

Let us know how it goes and good luck!

I'm going to a couple events over the next few days where there will probably be a couple girls I've had my eye on for a while now, so I'll see if I can somehow get the ball rolling.

Great news guys, I had a small success this weekend. I was walking through the center city area when I saw this cute girl a little ways away handing out flyers to some event. I usually avoid these people because always they shove flyers in my face or stop me to get me to sign up for something, but I figured that since she's handing out flyers and ready to talk with people, it would be an easy way to start getting used to just walking up to girls and starting conversations. So I took deep breathe, put a smile on my face and approached her from the front where she could see me coming. I was pretty nervous but the whole time but just did my best to stay upbeat and engaging, which ended up working quite well because we had a pretty good 15 minute conversation. I didn't get her number or anything, but I'm happy with how the conversation went. I tiny success and it gave me a bit of a boost.

I think talking to people handing out flyers is a good way to just get used to just talking to people in general because it's an easy way to practice conversing with a complete stranger. Not to mention that it was actually pretty fun once I got comfortable. I think I'll keep doing this for a while, and then once I feel more at ease talking with people I just met I'll begin working on doing real daytime openers. Do you guys think this is a good approach?