So after I took some time off last year from sarging. I started in February again.

I don't do night game really, and day game feels very natural to me. I game well enough to hook her for a coffee (standard first date) and during Day 1 I would initiate kino, play a kino game like thumb wars, long winded high fives for rewards. I also tease the target lightly and tell her she is losing points by doing something clumsy etc... I try to spot for IOI's which might be a good indicator for a possible Day 2. When paying the bill (usually just R30 or $3) I get good responses like "I'll pay the next one" or I'll say, the next one we can split to which I get a good response back.

I'll walk her back to her car with her arm hooked into mine etc... Then I'd go for the kiss close, which in two occations didn't work out that great.

On one occasion I just went in for the kiss and even though we did kiss (not make out), it was much to her suprise and she froze out on me from there on out.

On another occasion this is the dialogue:

Me: May I kiss you?
Her: Oh um, hahaha, you've put me on the spot here.
Me: One on your cheek
Her: Ok that's fine
*kiss*

Both day 1's went great, the kiss close sucked and then I'm froze out on day 2

I don't do much text game, so I don't really know what to "stay on her radar" between day 1 and day 2.

Is there a good kiss close routine I should look at?

Should I pick a better time for the kiss close? (I think many women finds it being a cliché if you kiss close as you say goodbye, it's like they expect it to happen)

Lastly, is there anything in my day game/day 1 you might change up to have a better chance of getting a day 2?

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If you're looking at day dates, you're looking at the long game. You may get a peck, but I wouldn't expect a heavy makeout session in the Starbucks parking lot.

Honestly, go out for drinks, unless you're looking to find a girlfriend.

Also, "may I kiss you" is super risky and can sound desperate if she's not already expecting it. If you want to catch her off guard, just kiss her. Worst case, she'll pull away. 9/10 for me, she is shocked for a second then starts kissing back.

If you are going to ask, you better already be at a point where you're in close, making good eye contact, speaking low and slow and everything already says "game on."

Think about it from their perspective. You're out drinking coffee with someone who you might be interested and out of nowhere they ask to kiss you. You might be a little put off as well.

Hope this helps.

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Yes this definately does make sense. I think I may have gotten a day 2 (with both girls I took for coffee) if I didn't go for kiss close. Long game is probably what I'm looking at here. Should my game be adjusted a lot if I'm sarging to get a girlfriend?

What is your suggestion regarding text game between dates? I avoid it almost completely. The only text I plan to send, is the one 3 - 5 hours after the date, to tell her I'll call her during the week. The point here, is that I don't want to text her way into the comfort zone to the point where she would rather text me, than spending time with me.

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