Hi Guys,

I would like to share an experience I had last Saturday.

I am going out every Saturday on my own to practice. I am stuck in one point and I would like to share with you my story (hopefully I won't exceed the 60000 characters)

Last Saturday I went out to the O2 and approached many sets of women. one set in particular gave me a hard time. Once I started to talk with a lady, one of her friends (probably the Alfa of the group), came in and PUSHED ME AWAY WITH HER HAND saying: "she has got a boyfriend!" and turned her back to me talking to the lady I was talking to.

I know that in this situation I should have kept a positive attitude, cool and continue the interaction until she would have left me alone with her friend but if there is one thing I can't stand is when people put the hands on me aggressively for no reason.

so i got angry and pushed her back. she snapped back to me complaining about that and I told her: "well, you pushed me!" and she started swearing at me. I left that set. cause I didn't want to get angry in case she would have touched me again.

what would you have done in that same situation?

any feedback or suggestions would be much appreciated.

thanks for your attention

kind regards

Sattar

Call her out and tell her she's been rude. Apologise to your target for her friends actions and cut the bitchy friend out. I've had it before where some chick got jealous and simply wanted to take attention away from everyone else. I was in a group, we were chatting to another group of women and this fat bitch in the corner just screamed at us to go away when we asked if we could sit beside them(One of the girls was sitting on me lap flirting like crazy!!). Her friends were embarrassed, went quiet and tried to cut her out but my group was shook up and confused by this vocal outburst. The tone was off and nothing was being said.

What i'm saying is, just because some narky bitch got all mouthy and decided to ruin the fun of the group didn't mean her friends felt the same way. Her friends would have much rathered we stay around and talked and had an after party, unfortunately we let the loud mouth get to us and backed off when we should have just called her out for being rude(Without being dicks about it -- be c/f) and apologise on her behalf then just ignore her straight out.

Although, it is important to know that if you're opening a group you need to give the other girls more attention than you do your target but physically flirt and set the target aside from everyone else. It keeps her interest and keeps her guessing and her friends feel much more comfortable around you and want you there eventually being completely okay with you, the amazing new friend, being physical and comfortable with their friend(your target). If they're all uncomfortable around you just back off gracefully otherwise you'll have a situation where they really don't want you around and it quickly turns sour. Just make sure in this situation you have the majority of the group on your side and happy to have you in their company before you call one of their friends out for being needlessly rude.

The way I would have looked at the situation is that the alpha wanted to talk to you dude!
When girls go out 99% of them wear a mask and you have to get around it.
In my opinion, odds are she thought you were cute and wanted to test you.

I would have told her "You know if it wasn't for girls like you, guys wouldn't have any fear to approach girls and would be considered less attractive. I like the fact that you do that, now I want to know more about you." "What's your name?" Then go on and build rapport with her and her friends, and have a good time.

Games sn activemystery 1

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience with me Games SN. Yeah, in your case the fat lady was just shouting at you, she wasn't physically aggressive. But I got your point. If her other friends accepted you, why you should stop the interaction? I will keep that in mind next time.

and thank you activemystery 1 for your advice, but I have to say that that lady didn't seem interested to me at all (and I wasn't interested in her either, she was quite ugly). as soon as she pushed me, she turned her back on me. she only wanted to get rid of me, that's all. maybe she was jealous like you suggest.
but just for the sake of curiosity, even though I really don't feel comfortable around people who put their hands on me, next time I will try to carry on the interaction with the aggressive one.

let's keep in touch and support each other guys

thanks a tone!

Sattar

it happens sometimes. usually it is the ugly woman that starts protecting the woman you are trying to talk to. i call them goblin. because she is not pretty, attractive and she is preventing you from playing with the woman you want to talk to. a cock block. this is the the difficulties of talking to many women. you have to impress like many people at the same time. this is why group approaching is more difficult. and this is also why i do not go to meet women on dates if she is with friends, i do not want to waste my energy to impress another woman. but when it is approaching i ignore the ugly woman and get the number of the girl i like and get her on a date later.

I recently remembered an important lesson: if you hit on the less-pretty one, it will catch the hot one off-guard.
Wow your situation was tough. I would have said, "Oh don't flatter yourself hun. I'm just wanted her to buy me a drink." In other situations, when i hear "i have a bf" i now say "I'm not looking to be your bf. I'm just looking to have hot sex"

Hi Semimembranosus and Chimeranpanda! Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences and advice!

Yeah, if I think about it, I had a similar experience in the past. I have approached a group of quite ugly women with only 1 cute girl and at the end I managed to go with the cute one. the only difference is that the ugly ones where not aggressive at all.

probably the best strategy would be to identify the alfa woman of the group first, hit on her, be accepted in the group, and then finally hit on the target.

groups are always difficult, I agree with you semimembranosus, but how many cute girls do you see alone in a club or pub? I think learning to move into groups is important.

thanks a lot for your support guys

let's keep in touch

regards

sattar

I agree with you on this my friend, seems like all the cute ones go in packs these days... we need to adapt and bring our own wingmen.

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If there is a dominant girl in the group that comes at you like this, its useless to pick a fight with her and will make you drop out of the group. Instead you could be playfull and say for example that she must be jealous on her friend getting your attention(in a playfull way!) and play her arround for a while till she cools down and accepts you in the group.

The leader or bitch* of a group can have a big influence on your acceptation in a group, and since you are new you either have to be accepted by the rest of the group before he/she bashes you so the others of the group back you up, or you have to gain validation of this person pesonaly.

So the things you can do:
-Isolate your target from the group before the blocker can make a move on you.
-Get validation into the group from the blocker him/her-self.
-Get validation from the whole group before the blocker can respond on you.

And like someone stated above it can be usefull to know who is going to be a bitch and be prepared on it to quickly counter it or even totaly ignore his/her blocky move.

Say back to the friend: "She wants me instead. She just called her old boyfriend and broke up with him. I'm the new boyfriend now. And don't touch me like that again... These clothes cost more than your car."

Just the first thing I came up with.....

You've gotta learn how to be quick witted like that and not take everything so seriously. When a girls friend does that to me (trust me, its going to happen to you ALOT more) I think its fucking hysterical. I usually wind up making fun of the way they are acting and everyone ends up laughing...

Nice topic guys. I had something similar happening to me last weekend, altought not in an agressive tone, but just a socially programmed thing ........... i was with a group of friends from work just warming up when this older HB (from some department of work asks






HB: SO how old are you ?
Tiago: How much do you weight ?
Young HB friend by my side: Stop it (hits me lightly on the arm) you dont ask that......






Guess i should have reacted the same way and call her out for being rude and interrupting me, what do you guys think ?

Hi Guys,

thank you all for your tips. ah ah! I liked that one from themajikamethod! I think I will use it next time! I agree with you, you need to be quick witted! It has always been my problem, it always comes to my mind what to say afterwards. but I guess with experience it will become automatic.

and thanks venidos for your detailed instructions. I will keep that in mind next time, I need to be more strategic.

In regards to you Tiago, from what you said it sounds like the young lady was just joking with you and she wasn't using strong language. if I were you I would have showed a cheeky smile and continue the conversation with the older lady. I would have basically ignored her. she didn't push you away swearing at you like it happened to me.

let me know what you think

thanks all again

let's keep this mastermind going!

regards

Sattar

absolutely sattar, she didnt do anything wrong, altough i dont think she was joking, as her face was serious. Anyway i like obedient HBs around me, so i guess i should have been "quick witty" "Quick witted" about it.





Do you think HBs disagreing with your in front of other hbs lowers your value ?





Opinions are welcomed




Tiago

Hi Tiago,

no I don't think so. I guess It can lower your value if you get angry or nervous as it will show them that you are wick. But if you keep it cool and maybe, if you have the skills, tease them up playfully it can actually increase your value.

In the Kezia Noble book "The noble art of seducing women" she explains exactly this. What women are attracted too is STRENGTH both psychological and physical. the ability to keep it cool in stressful situation is seen as a sign of strength therefore increasing your value.

hope that helps

lets keep supporting each other and share our stories guys

regards

sattar