I hope this doesn't open a can of worms. Maybe it's the alcohol talking but what the heck, this is a discussion forum so let's discuss.

I propose there is no such thing as pick up. Getting with girls is just a numbers game. That's all there is to it. You talk to 100 girls, 5 of them will like you for who you are, 95 of them wont like you because they are bitches or stuck up or lesbians or racists or just having a bad day.

It's all about statistics. There is nothing you can do to change statistics.

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That is a bold statement. Check this out:

I'd like to respond by saying "pick up" is not an art (in my opinion). I view it as self improvement and learning how to be more confident by learning how to control the emotions of women for THEIR benefit. Women like to have their emotions controlled, it's part of their nature however, some of them may not realize it. This is a small portion of confidence and that is what women are attracted to in men, in my opinion.

You can learn how to hit a baseball in little league right? - So you CAN learn how to be more confident and get/"pick up"/(whatever you want to call it) more women. Some are better at this than others. The only reason you won't eventually succeed is if you don't risk swinging the bat! In fact, you may have to seize the opportunity at times, and swing at a wild pitch just to get on base. Following?

*It may seem like a numbers game at first, but if you get your hand-eye coordination down, you'll be knocking home runs out of the park in no time buddy!

It is possible! You just haven't discovered the right methods that work best for you. Find some methods that are congruent with your personality!

*Above all* Ask more questions, don't get discouraged, and keep tryin!

The numbers, or more specifically, the greater frequency of multiple sarging experiences helps you learn and polish skill sets that eventually lead to YOU becoming good with women.

It's no different from an actor rehearsing his lines a gazillion times or practicing in front of the mirror for several hours, or a mixed martial artist getting into several preparatory fights before his first professional bout.

It's a performance art rather than a statistical science in the sense that you have to put yourself out there and gain experience physically so you become good with women.

If these were just a statistical science, all you have to do is analyze numbers on paper or a spreadsheet, run what if scenarios, and viola, you're good with women. It doesn't work that way.

You have to interact with women.

For instance, what you think is funny may not be funny to women and what you think may be crass or rude is in fact funny to women. You'll never know unless you try.

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What I meant is there is no such thing as "becoming good with women"
It's all a numbers game. when you approach 100 women, statistically speaking, 95 of them won't like you because they are bitches or lesbians or racists or they have some bad childhood memories of someone that looks a lot like you or a zillion other reasons. 5 will like you.

There is no difference between Mystery and an AFC. if Mystery approaches 100 women, 95 of them won't like him, 5 will. If I approach 100 women, 95 won't like me, 5 will.

Again, I am not saying I am right here, as a matter of fact, I am probably wrong, but I am looking for an explanation why I am wrong.

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I have not failed 10,000 times. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. - Edison

Think you've been hurt recently, am I right?

A lot of it is a numbers game, yes. However you change as a person which makes you "better with women", but really it's being better at being yourself around women. There are a few things that help you polish your game, however most of the things in "pickup" is just being a confident, persistent man who doesn't give up.

However "pickup" is just a term used to define someone who goes out an actively seeks out women and wants to get to know them intimately. Most guys don't do this. Most guys don't go out a lot and actively seek out intimate relationships with women. Most wait for a house party, business party, and maybe they'll "get lucky" and get a girl which then becomes their girlfriend.

We are active, they are passive. That is probably the difference on a basic level. But with the active mindset, certain behaviors are also different. You actively make the moves, seek out windows of opportunity, and the entire dynamic of the interaction and then indeed the relationship becomes different. You make all the moves, you lead, etc. Stay persistent and so on and so forth.

You are living in this parradigm, so it might be difficult for you to see the world like those who don't live in this paradigm, being passive about their love lives. I am living with three guys who are completely passive. One of them sometimes makes a move in a bar or club when he is out, the others don't.

So pickup, meeting women, getting good with women, whatever you call it, it's a different lifestyle with different behaviors than most men have.

I didn't read any of the other responses but I want to weigh in that it is a numbers game but that is because as you talk to more girls and learn from your mistakes you get better. I believe that maybe the first 100 5 will like you but then the next 100 10-15 will like you if you study your mistakes and realize where you went wrong. Its like swinging a baseball bat, your not going to hit 100% but the more you practice the closer you will get to 100%. And yes some women are bitches but you learn to handle that too just like you learn how to hit a curve ball.