Are such gays who open strait guys PUAs? In 2011 I had a weaker frame and I got upset because then what he did was very creepy, and I want to make him into a negative example:

He noticed me on the farmer's market doing shopping at 14:00; and stopped in his tracks, staring at me with intense, needy eyes. He stood 10 meters away, in the middle of the walkway, staring. I went away, but he made runds while shopping, to run into me "accidentaly" several times.

Opening: Hello, I haven't seen you...bla bla bla...
Handshake, holding my hand and not letting go for a while.
Trying to make conversation, asking me about work, etc.
4. Trying to DHV.
5. At one point he closed the distance to 1 foot between me, up close, and started to whisper, he used voice tonality a lot.
8. Made jokes, tried to be funny.
6. He wanted to invite me for coffee.
7. He looked old, disheveled, and was gay.
9. Try-hard.

I have seen him doing this to other guys at other times repeatedly.

So it is as bad as it gets, but I began to wonder if we also telegraph this much sexual neediness and predatorial attitude while opening a HBs during daytime? How can I prevent acting like him or comming across like him when doing a day sarge?

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I doubt it. It depends on the person. Some gay guys are really forward and don't care about subtlety while others will try be a bit more stealthy and show interest, test the waters and gauge whether or not you're gay... Sometimes they're just being nice.

It's the same for all men whether straight or gay. Do you judge the guy who goes up to a bunch of women, blatantly hits on them and does this repeatedly until he gets what he wants [sex] ? Nope, it's just his technique. It's all down to the type of player you are... It's just a lot of the vocal and out there gay men are exactly the way that they present themselves: Outgoing and very forward/progressive.

Thread title of the year 2014!!

Back to your question, in cold-approach pickup there is a very fine line between neediness and the persistence required to get the girl. In your example, you can remember in vivid detail how the guy approached you and built rapport with you. Even though you were not sexually attracted to him, his actions had a long-lasting emotional impact on you. He provoked a reaction out of you, whether it was positive or negative is irrelevant. Girls in the same situation are the same, they feed off the highs and lows of emotion. Hence why women love to see shocking dramatic and tearful true stories about neglect and abuse and why some women seek out thrills such as shock and fear at theme parks or horror movies. Creating emotional spikes will help deepen a woman's feelings for you. If she feels nothing either way, she either won't stick around or she will fill her emotional void somewhere else.

I remember him and what he does because he does it all the time. I think he did it at first in 2002. He did it in 2010, 2012 ans 2013, but last year I started to monitor him with PUA-eyes, because I am convinced that he actually does (or did) pickup, he is a PUA, but not one of us. I love feedback, and he is a twisted mirror image of a day-PUA. Just like the way I study lesbians, I study him, also I can test my reactiveness and frame controll.

I met him again today, he did the same thing again, but he turned down the sexual charge 50%, I think it was a last rally, he is slowly ageing out of the game at 60(?).

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to answer the question, yes a lot of guys do come across to women that way and that's why they struggle. And yes it is annoying when gays hit on me.

The gay homos I don't mind nearly as much as the straight homos.

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